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    Basically...I've been thinking about special characters in 40k and WHFB
    with the fluff behind them, I'm wondering in the warhammer world if
    most of the uber characters would have been possible. Either fate
    or Predections from farseers, tech preists, and those who had the inner
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    Now from all the fluff out there, in your army, you probably have a particular
    reason for him/her, being your hero or special character.

    How believeable is your special character and whats the reasoning behind it?

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    For my money, I think Abbadon the Despoiler is very believable fluffwise for my chaos army.

    I think he is actually a little 'underpowered' to be the Warmaster of all Chaos forces. (I think he needs 1 more wound and maybe 1 or 2 more attacks in his profile..not necessarily with Drachnyn, but normal attacks).

    He is; however; a stand in for the real Warmaster Horus. So maybe it becomes a little more believable when you look at him as a 'second tier' Warmaster.

    Edit> Abbadon reminds me of many aspiring political hacks; [insert appropiate schmoozer name here ( use your imagination, not your retoric&#33!] that attempt to play all sides against the middle.

    He ultimately has no agenda other than staying in power at all costs and not rocking the boat.

    His lack of the ultimate acheivement (humanities conquest) can be attributed more to his unwillingness to commit to one chaos god ( until he can become! one himself).

    While he sometimes is portrayed as a unifier of chaos, I can't help but think that if he really wanted to unify chaos it would not have taken 10, 000 years!!

    { I'm only willing to give the treachorus Space Marine and other Emperor loving suck ups and co-conspirators minimal contributions to his ( Abbadon's ) failures!

    This doesn't stop him from being a good showman, but his fear of ending up like Horus plaques his abilities to 'close the deal' as it were.

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    I actually don't think very much of 40k is very believable, and I don't know anything about FB. But hey, it's fiction.

    Out of all the 40k characters, I only know about a few. Out of those, the most believable would be Horus. After all, after a while following one guy, somebody is bound to say "$cr3w this" and betray. I don't really believe the religious devotion to some guy locked in a throne, nearly dead. During initiation, they must have put some chemicals in the SM's brains, I guess.

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    Franz, Huss and Baltthasar are perfectly feasible.
    You don't just assume that your game is a one off match either. It could be one of the greatest wars of attrition in the universe/Old world and the Character has come to finish the job.

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    I really think overall the fantasy special characters tie into the fluff better and their motives are more pronounced.

    The best Fantasy special character, fluff wise, for me, is Valten, he ties in with the whole sigmar thing pretty well and unlike Archaon, fit in with SOC better, in my opinion.
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    Yeah, I follow you with that whole archon thing.
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    Originally posted by Joker@Mar 5 2005, 01:34
    For my money, I think Abbadon the Despoiler is very believable fluffwise for my chaos army.

    I think he is actually a little &#39;underpowered&#39; to be the Warmaster of all Chaos forces. (I think he needs 1 more wound and maybe 1 or 2 more attacks in his profile..not necessarily with Drachnyn, but normal attacks).

    He is; however; a stand in for the real Warmaster Horus. So maybe it becomes a little more believable when you look at him as a &#39;second tier&#39; Warmaster.

    Edit> Abbadon reminds me of many aspiring political hacks; [insert appropiate schmoozer name here ( use your imagination, not your retoric&#33&#33;] that attempt to play all sides against the middle.

    He ultimately has no agenda other than staying in power at all costs and not rocking the boat.

    His lack of the ultimate acheivement (humanities conquest) can be attributed more to his unwillingness to commit to one chaos god ( until he can become&#33; one himself).

    While he sometimes is portrayed as a unifier of chaos, I can&#39;t help but think that if he really wanted to unify chaos it would not have taken 10, 000 years&#33;&#33;

    { I&#39;m only willing to give the treachorus Space Marine and other Emperor loving suck ups and co-conspirators minimal contributions to his ( Abbadon&#39;s ) failures&#33;

    This doesn&#39;t stop him from being a good showman, but his fear of ending up like Horus plaques his abilities to &#39;close the deal&#39; as it were.
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    dude, i agree that he is cool and believable and stuff, but he&#39;s underpowered because he refuses daemonhood. theres nothinhg holding him back but that. no daemonhood, no winning. he&#39;s badass but not badass enough. :ph34r:
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    Originally posted by Joker@Mar 4 2005, 10:34
    For my money, I think Abbadon the Despoiler is very believable fluffwise for my chaos army.

    I think he is actually a little &#39;underpowered&#39; to be the Warmaster of all Chaos forces. (I think he needs 1 more wound and maybe 1 or 2 more attacks in his profile..not necessarily with Drachnyn, but normal attacks).

    He is; however; a stand in for the real Warmaster Horus. So maybe it becomes a little more believable when you look at him as a &#39;second tier&#39; Warmaster.

    Edit> Abbadon reminds me of many aspiring political hacks; [insert appropiate schmoozer name here ( use your imagination, not your retoric&#33&#33;] that attempt to play all sides against the middle.

    He ultimately has no agenda other than staying in power at all costs and not rocking the boat.

    His lack of the ultimate acheivement (humanities conquest) can be attributed more to his unwillingness to commit to one chaos god ( until he can become&#33; one himself).

    While he sometimes is portrayed as a unifier of chaos, I can&#39;t help but think that if he really wanted to unify chaos it would not have taken 10, 000 years&#33;&#33;

    { I&#39;m only willing to give the treachorus Space Marine and other Emperor loving suck ups and co-conspirators minimal contributions to his ( Abbadon&#39;s ) failures&#33;

    This doesn&#39;t stop him from being a good showman, but his fear of ending up like Horus plaques his abilities to &#39;close the deal&#39; as it were.
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    To get some facts straight, Abbadon has not been alive for 10,000 years...well, he has and he hasn&#39;t. 10,000 years have passed since the Horus Heresy, but all of the Chaos space marines have only been alive for several hundred years at the most. Reason is that they&#39;ve been residing in the eye of terror, in which time is heavily distorted (same reason ships can travel across the galaxy through the warp in a matter of months, whereas in real space it would take millenia. And so, the realm of chaos has only aged several hundred years, wheras the rest of the galaxy has aged normally. See the current Chaos Space Marines Codex for this info.

    So, Abbadon has not had 10,000 years to conquer the Imperium, he&#39;s had several hundred. And in that time he&#39;s led 13 Black Crusades, the most recent of which basically shattered Cadia, one of the strongest and most militarized bastion worlds in the Imperium. He also initiated the Gothic War, in which he captured 2 Blackstone Fortresses and the other 4 were obliterated by forces unknown (but this wouldn&#39;t have happened if Abbadon hadn&#39;t initiated the war that activated them), which probably led to the first awakenings of the Necrons (good job, Abbadon...). And he&#39;s more or less unified the forces of Chaos so they don&#39;t fight as much amongst each other and instead direct their attacks outward. So, Abbadon is responsible for more damage to the Imperium than any other individual, and you say he&#39;s not powerful enough? In gaming terms, he&#39;s also one of the most powerful characters. You say he could stand to have an upgrade, and maybe that&#39;s true, but Warhammer 40k isn&#39;t about individuals dominating the battlefield, its about armies. I&#39;m glad its the way it is.

    Back to the fluff...I agree that Abbadon&#39;s primary flaw is that he is fearful of ending up like his mentor, Horus. He hasn&#39;t led a major assault on Terra or any major Imperial world except for Cadia. He also frequently "runs away" when he is beaten. He left his forces and returned to the Eye when his fleet was crushed in the Gothic War, and he did the same thing when he was defeated in orbit of Cadia. This could be construed as either smart, or cowardly. As to why he hasn&#39;t accepted Daemonhood...who can say but the writers? Maybe he has some master plan to become more powerful than a Daemon Prince, or maybe he wants to retain his humanity. Or, maybe he&#39;s just scared, like you have said. Impossible to say for sure.

    As for my vote on which character is the "most believeable", I&#39;m not sure what is meant by that. These are characters in a fictional universe, all with grandiose characterizations and fantasy/supernatural attributes, so it could be argued that none are realistic. The characters are good, all the same, and I love how there are no good guys in 40k, just individuals pursuing their own agendas. Just like in real life. And thus, I guess it could be argued in that manner that all the characters are realistic.

    As far as fielding special characters in my army, I don&#39;t. I like my army to be my own, and so if I want to characterize my General, I give him or her a name and detail their own fluff. Just my two cents.

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    Originally posted by Houston@Mar 7 2005, 15:16
    To get some facts straight, Abbadon has not been alive for 10,000 years...well, he has and he hasn&#39;t. 10,000 years have passed since the Horus Heresy, but all of the Chaos space marines have only been alive for several hundred years at the most. Reason is that they&#39;ve been residing in the eye of terror, in which time is heavily distorted (same reason ships can travel across the galaxy through the warp in a matter of months, whereas in real space it would take millenia. And so, the realm of chaos has only aged several hundred years, wheras the rest of the galaxy has aged normally. See the current Chaos Space Marines Codex for this info.

    So, Abbadon has not had 10,000 years to conquer the Imperium, he&#39;s had several hundred. And in that time he&#39;s led 13 Black Crusades, the most recent of which basically shattered Cadia, one of the strongest and most militarized bastion worlds in the Imperium. He also initiated the Gothic War, in which he captured 2 Blackstone Fortresses and the other 4 were obliterated by forces unknown (but this wouldn&#39;t have happened if Abbadon hadn&#39;t initiated the war that activated them), which probably led to the first awakenings of the Necrons (good job, Abbadon...). And he&#39;s more or less unified the forces of Chaos so they don&#39;t fight as much amongst each other and instead direct their attacks outward. So, Abbadon is responsible for more damage to the Imperium than any other individual, and you say he&#39;s not powerful enough? In gaming terms, he&#39;s also one of the most powerful characters. You say he could stand to have an upgrade, and maybe that&#39;s true, but Warhammer 40k isn&#39;t about individuals dominating the battlefield, its about armies. I&#39;m glad its the way it is.

    Back to the fluff...I agree that Abbadon&#39;s primary flaw is that he is fearful of ending up like his mentor, Horus. He hasn&#39;t led a major assault on Terra or any major Imperial world except for Cadia. He also frequently "runs away" when he is beaten. He left his forces and returned to the Eye when his fleet was crushed in the Gothic War, and he did the same thing when he was defeated in orbit of Cadia. This could be construed as either smart, or cowardly. As to why he hasn&#39;t accepted Daemonhood...who can say but the writers? Maybe he has some master plan to become more powerful than a Daemon Prince, or maybe he wants to retain his humanity. Or, maybe he&#39;s just scared, like you have said. Impossible to say for sure.

    As for my vote on which character is the "most believeable", I&#39;m not sure what is meant by that. These are characters in a fictional universe, all with grandiose characterizations and fantasy/supernatural attributes, so it could be argued that none are realistic. The characters are good, all the same, and I love how there are no good guys in 40k, just individuals pursuing their own agendas. Just like in real life. And thus, I guess it could be argued in that manner that all the characters are realistic.

    As far as fielding special characters in my army, I don&#39;t. I like my army to be my own, and so if I want to characterize my General, I give him or her a name and detail their own fluff. Just my two cents.
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    Holy crap, looks like someone studies their fluff&#33; I always wondered how the necrons were awakened.

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    Originally posted by Houston@Mar 7 2005, 23:16
    To get some facts straight, Abbadon has not been alive for 10,000 years...well, he has and he hasn&#39;t. 10,000 years have passed since the Horus Heresy, but all of the Chaos space marines have only been alive for several hundred years at the most.
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    Have you read the Chaos Codex?

    &#39;10,000 years of war have honed the skills of the Chaos Space Marines.&#39;

    &#39;No conventional Space Marine has the depth and breadth of experience that the chaos legions have built up.&#39;

    And...

    &#39;The Chaos gods promised immortality.&#39;

    This seems to suggest that A. Some Chaos Space marines are 10,000 years old. B. That they are immortal.

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