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I dont play the tabletop game, but i have always been interested in warhammer history.. when i was a kid i came across a few old GW: white dwarf magazines, that had been discarded..
Bored with nothing else to read, i started reading and discovered the warhammer table top games.. i was intrigued by them.. i started reading articles on the stories of the warhammer universes.. and i read a few novels.
I always intended to buy the game but after seeing how much it could cost me to build armies, and the fact i couldn't find anyone to play (probably the idea of marching toy soldiers around on a tabletop with rulebooks scared them :hmm: lol), led to me forgetting about it completely..
Until recently.. about 10 years have passed, and my attention was caught by a few PC game titles of WH:40k.. the most recent being Dawn of War.. I had long thought that the WH40k fanbase would have disintegrated as i had heard nothing of it for all those years.. but here i find it... still thriving with a huge following...
Ok so my question is this..
Are the Original Warhammer, and the 40K universes directly linked??
As in they share the same universe?.. except 40k is the future.. like 40,000 years later? i just need this question answered as it has been a question burning in my head for years! lol
I started to read the Timelines for both universes.. but neither link to each other...
But it is really odd how they share things that obviously makes them the same universe..
Both worlds have Chaos and thier gods... yet in the warhammer 40k timeline chaos' gods only awakened at the start of its timeline (is the beginning of the WH40k timeline like during/end of the WH timeline?)
Hmm well then again which fantasy universe doesnt have these!
What makes me unsure is that if it was the same universe is, where is reference to dwarfs and elves? The Eldar are like Elves and also have thier dark variants.. But how do you explain elves and orks geting into space?
So can somebody answer my question? Are they two seperate worlds, or in WH40k is the Warhammer era merely a forgotten age?
Ha... now this is the age old debate, and one to which there has been a clear and definitive answer.... in a hazy kind of GW way...
The answer is "NO" they are not linked, although they were!!
Originally, 40k was intended as a futuristic WFB but as time and fluff went on the links never materialised.
It's blatantly obvious to even a chipmunk that there are links....
Dark Elves/Dark Eldar
So the assumption would be "Yes" the games are linked, even if tenuously, but they are not however.... I think you begin to see where I'm coming from.
Of course they are linked.... in time past GW intended them to be, I've heard this directly from a GW area manager, but there is no longer any link intended between them whatsoever, and one could assume them to exist in parellel universes.
So "No" they are not linked....
And so it goes on!!
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I'd say yes and no. For yes, yo u can see taht the chaos god models for both systems are the exact same model, as well as the daemons. The bloodthirster for WHFB is the same one for WH40k! But there is no fluff saying that they are linked. It would be pretty cool if they were linked, though.
I think some ideas are kind of linked, but not really. I mean Orks
are dead obvious but the rest are a little obscure. I've tried harassing
my GW staff at my battle bunker but I get conclusions that are
I have a feeling that some of it is linked.
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They are not related, in a background sense. They are related in an abstract way simply because way, way back Rogue Trader was basically just a way to play Warhammer Fantasy with a sci-fi twist. Back in those days GW just took any idea it could from its fatasy archetypes and tried to fit it into 40K, with mostly some success and a few goobers (squats). They weren't so much trying to create a cohesive game universe back then as they were just about pumping out the minis.
Backgroundwise, 40K can't be the future of Fantasy for a few reasons. #1) Slaanesh exists in the fantasy battles timeline, but he is also "born" in the 40K timeline. 2) Necrons aren't really undead, they are soulless aliens trapped in an unfeeling metal shell from way back before humanity was much of anything. There is nothing magical, warpish, or psychic about them. 3) If Fantasy Battles somehow is in the past of 40K, then the center of the Universe must be Earth, or Holy Terra as it is called in 40K. The orks and Eldar would all have to originate from Earth, but the Eldar homeworlds are (were) in the area of space called the Eye of Terror, destroyed when Slaanesh was created.
I believe at one of the Games Day Q&As recently GeeDub formally stated that there is no connection between the two. If your gaming group really wanted to pretend there was, one possibility could be that Warhammer Fantasy is the future of the 40K Universe- perhaps some Warp-saturated planet near the Eye of Terror. Heck, it could be an insane Chaos experiment- trap representatives of most of the 40K universe on some feral world near the EOT and staturate it with magic and see what happens... although this would all be a huge stretch IMHO.
If you want to link them the simplest and most obvious way is to make them concurrent.
WHFB world is a primitive world that has lost all contact with their more advanced factions. Its near the outer edge of the galaxy (so that the elves/eldar can survive without messing about like DE and CE do, kinda like the Exodites) Why are the different races all there? Who knows, maybe they got transplanted their as some kind of imperial experiment taht the inquisition forgot about, mayb they are the remenants of a battle that went on on that planet between several different factions, just make something up its not too difficult.
The thing that doesn't work with this is that there aren't tyranids in FB. The Tyranids would have gone to the FB world and start eating everything.If you want to link them the simplest and most obvious way is to make them concurrent.
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There are plenty of worlds in 40k that the tyranids ahven't reached yet, could it not be one of these? Isolated from everywhere else by warp storms?Originally posted by aufde@Mar 21 2005, 09:10
The thing that doesn't work with this is that there aren't tyranids in FB. The Tyranids would have gone to the FB world and start eating everything.[snapback]357475[/snapback]
I've always felt regarded the two as simply being different stories. Obviously they draw heavily upon one another but cannot be in the same universe/timeline/whatever for one main reason outside of those mentioned above. The Warhammer fantasy world takes place in a fantasy version of Earth (look at a Warhammer map and you'll see very clearly that it is in a vague shape of our planet's continents).
But 40k is a science fiction story, and I've always assumed that it takes off from our present day world - nothing fantasy about it. This is to say that in the story of 40k, Earth once existed as it does now, with all the countries we now have. Jump 40,000 years into the future and this is how humanity has evolved - from Earth into a massive empire stretching across the galaxy.
Come to think of it, is the world in WFB even referred to as Earth? I didn't think it was. If not, then 40k is the only story to actually borrow from our reality as it refers to Earth/Terra. And of course the primary reasons the two stories are not linked is what JOHIRA! aluded to: timeline and factual descrepancies. If WFB is the Warhammer 40k world in the past, then yes - all the races would have had to originate on Earth. Also, Slaanesh was born at two different times then.
WFB and 40k share design similarities and some similar background ideas, but they are definitely not linked.
actually the worlds of 40k and fantasy run together at the same time, though it has never been directly said it is known that the fantasy world is a world inside the eye of terror, as in it exists within the warp. But no one from the 40k universe can appraoch it,
for proof check the albion artefacts from that campaign,
WELL SAID, NO MORE SQUATS THEY ARE DEAD GET OVER ITOriginally Posted by artificer