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I was just investigating buying some forgeworld stuff and was wondering if anyone who owns these would be good enough to answer. Quick questions for you;
1/ Which Imperial Armours/where can I find the current rules for the Warhound titan and the Thunderhawk in?
2/ Which is more expensive points-wise, the Thunderhawk or the titan? (I'm not asking for actual points values).
3/ In your opinion which Warhound variant is best?
Thanks in advance, which I might purchase depends on your answers.
Well, i hold a copy of IA1 in my hands right now, and i can confirm that neither the warhound nor the thunderhawk are in here, so both must be in IA2 or IAUpdate.. However, as I do not own a copy of either, I cannot help further.
Last edited by K-Tana; April 19th, 2005 at 10:38.
I live in your eyes
Space marines and sisters are in IA vol 2 (big hardback $100ish book; I consider IA2 to be the paperback book now out of print with the Xenos stuff in it). You'll find the Thunderhawk rules here. The warhound rules are in IA Update 2004.
I don't have IA vol 1 or 2 ($$$) and I don't have my copy of IA1 around so I can't give you relative points.
Something to consider is it is highly unlikely that either of these models would ever find their way onto the table in a game. The least expensive warhound varient points wise is in the high 700's and the other is over 800. Warmachine rules dictate the use of a separate FOC for warmachines as well. So basically you need a game big enough that you are using multiple detachments and can afford 800ish points for something that can be killed by a single lucky hit in close combat (melta bomb, etc.) or a trio of lascannon or missile launcher shots.
I would love to have one of the warhounds as they are beautiful models but I would be going into the purchase with the full knowledge that it would be a display, not game piece. If you want some FW stuff for gaming purposes, there are a ton of ways to spend the money and get really beautiful models that you can regularly field in games. The FW Pred kit is really nice. The sponson design is completly different and much stronger than the basic plastic kit. Spoke to Will Hayes about that kit for awhile at GD LA. The dreads are really sweet too. Upgrades (armour, weapons, etc...) for the marine tanks are quite sweet and will definitely make your army stand out. Just something to consider before dropping that kind of coin.
Last edited by helotaxi; April 19th, 2005 at 01:24.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
1. Warhound tian is in IA update 2004, while the thunderhawk can be found in IA volume 2M nd inquisition.
2. Warhound titan is more expensive than the Thunderhawk by about 150pts.
3. IMO the mars pattern is a good choice ( it;s also the only one for chaos currently ) as it has good anti-infantry dn good anti-vehicle weapons on it.
@helotaxi but a warengine can't be taking out by a simple trio of lascannons or a cc attack like a meltabomb unless you have have an enourmess amount of luck on your side.
Hmm, see heres the thing. The reason I wrote 'the current rules', is that I have heard that the Warhound decreased in power significantly, and is now a lot cheaper (and so is a more valid purchase). From being 750+ points, the point cost and power were toned down.
An example is here http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...7&page=6&pp=10 (Anyone Seen A Titan?)
Scroll down and find Wolfkin's second post.
I was thinking if that information was correct, a Warhound Titan might be a cool investment. However I'd rather have the Thunderhawk, simply because it makes more sense being the property of my marine chapter. As long as the Thunderhawk was cheaper I was more interested in one of them. However as the Titan seems cheaper now I dont know where I stand.
Last edited by Addoran; April 19th, 2005 at 15:53.
True, but I have seen the highly improbable happen more times than it would seem possible. Examples:Originally Posted by Dreachon
dev squad with 3 plasma cannons all melt down and all 3 fail their save the first shot of the game.
5 termies die to 3-5 rapid firing lasguns.
1 guardsman survives 3 rounds of close combat with a sqaud of plague marines, winning or drawing every round, finally breaks them and wipes them out in a sweeping advance.
A whole guard army with many heavy weapons fires on a razorback to zero effect.
3 stikkbommas mob up with a squad of slugga boyz which then assault a Dread. All 3 bommas roll 6's to hit with their 1 A with tankbusta bombs, all pen the armour, 2 results come up 6 on the damage table and a 6 is rolled for the blast radius. Every ork that could be wounded was and none made their save. 150+ pts of orks die in the resulting explosion from what amounted to a lucky hit on a dread.
My point is that wierd stuff happens and pretty often.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Amen to that indeed.
The Thunderhawk is still cheaper than the warhound by at least 100+ points for the cheapets titan configuration.
Sadly, the information I gave in that link was incorrect, but it was how I understood it at the time (using Army Builder's Titan stats).Originally Posted by Addoran
I have since purchased both a Mars Pattern Warhound and Imperial Armour 1 update and I can confirm that, unarmed, the Warhound costs almost twice as much as a Land Raider (trying not to quote exact points) :p
Adding the cost of weapons (those that are supplied with the Mars Pattern) brings the total cost of the beast up considerably.
Put it this way... if you took 1000 points and purchased a Mars Pattern Titan, you'd just about have enough points left to afford a single full Tactical Squad to go with it.
Sorry for the misleading info on the above mentioned thread :rolleyes:
I want some FW stuff but can't afford anything...Maybe one of those turret things or something along those lines...Some terrain would also be nice. I really do want a Thunder Hawk Gunship though (unsurprising since I own almost a company of Dark Angels it would be very fitting). Maybe one day when I have cash... I would probably use the Gunship or Titan for big participation games if the guys at GW let me and maybe in a mega game with some friends (from what your saying it would push my once-its-complete 4000point dark angels up to almost 5000 with a Mortis Dreadnought and some other stuff).
Don't ask what your country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country, Only once you have asked yourself that shall your country do everything in its power for you --My twist on a JFK quote
The beauty of the Titan over the Thunderhawk is that it can be used with any Space Marine, Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters & Daemon Hunters army, whereas the Thundershawk is Space Marine Specific.
So, the more Armies Of The Imperium that you own, the more the Titan becomes a viable option.