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ive been playing warhammer for about a year and half and ive been enjoying it.
all this time i dont know what cheese means.
like why do people call necrons cheesy
does it eman necrons are cheap (not as in money)
cheese: the sore losers term for unfair, missuse of the rules etc
necrons are called cheesey because players belive them unfair because they can get back up even though they cost more than any other bog standard troop (3 more than marines) and have NO upgrades at all.
imo its just a term that moaners use if they get their arses whooped by a better players with a very good list ( again with crons every one attakcs them the wrong way and loses horribly)
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At its most basic level cheese is one of two things:
1. Something which is technically allowed, but against the spirit of the rules. The most common form of this is loophole when new rules come out. This is one main reason GW pumps out FAQs.
2. As an adjective, it can also meen a fully official rule/unit/model/etc which is deemed to be overpowered. Sometimes true, but usually because of the reasons Arklite stated above.
It is a relatively new term, the equivalent used to be beardy (back in 2nd ed).
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I only moan about it when I get betten by someone with a good list that is otherwise a really bad player like for example:imo its just a term that moaners use if they get their arses whooped by a better players with a very good list ( again with crons every one attakcs them the wrong way and loses horribly)
A 12 year old who plays Tau that does nothing but advance and attack but whos parents bought them 2 sqauds of 3 Broad Side Battle Suits and a Hammer Head. Their stratigy involves loosing large numbers of these units becuase they dont understand defence, cover or LoS but still win because they have 7 Rail guns in a low points game with the cheapest HQ and smallist troop squads avalible.
The type of player who hides behind powerful units because they have no sence of stratigy or even understanding of the rules. Takes away their uber units and they always loose.
PS: I'm not saying that above army is unbeatable, I can think of a few ways it can be but even if they dont go first your still likely to loose all your vehicals before they can do much, you also stand a chance at looseing your HQ quickly aswell.
Last edited by Osaria; May 25th, 2005 at 12:04.
There is only one thing I think is cheese, and that is the Imperial Guard Armored Company List. I can handle nine tanks in a regular IG list, 3Hellhounds, 3 Chimeras and a few heavies. What I can't handle is 7 Leman Russes. That isn't even a full AC list. I believe it to be a realistic list, but in order to oppose them, you need to have an all AT list.
In short, my view of cheese requires you to take an army entierly like you can normaly play a competative game with, assuming you have a good all comers list.
Now that said, it is still possible to play a fair game vs IGAC if they take a Half to three quarters the points you take.
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Q: What is Cheese?
A: A much overused concept on these forums . If something is codex legal I'm happy to play against it.
And 'hello' if that is going to be your attitude please do not use these forums in future.
a tasty food product made with milk from various animals and rennet. some people think that they can make cheese with soy bean paste :p gross...parmigiano reggiano is very good cheese. :cool:
Cheese in my opinion refers to something which goes against the fluff or is an extremely unbalanced force. For example, I absolutely hate min/maxing especially. Space Marine squads should be 10 men each, the "5-10" rules allow you to have the odd "casualty" here and there, or let you sneak in combat squads to fill those last few slots. Heck, I don't mind if someone takes 2x5 man squads, one with a flamer and one with a HB - that's realistic. Taking only 5 man squads armed with heavy bolters against Orks is just no fun and requires no strategy whatsoever.
I see it similar to using cheats in single player PC games. You have fun because you're winning but that fun wears off very quickly. Cheating doesn't need any skill and is a very cheap way of playing. If you take your time and master the game and finish it yourself, you will enjoy it much, much more. With 40k, if you cheese out your list you will win a lot of the time. You will have a lot of fun winning, but you can guarantee your opponent doesn't have fun. If, however, you play with a balanced list, you both have fun even if you lose a lot more.
Cheese is a term thrown around by people whenever they run into a situation they can't account for, or an army option they themselves can't do, and on the rare occassion it descibes choices made by one player to unfairly affect the outcome of the game resulting in a loss of enjoyment. It's important to remember that type 3 cheese is, most of the time, completely legal; just quite unspotsman like.
A list of things that people say are cheesy but are not include:
Iron Warriors with numerous Oblits
Iron Warriors with numerous tanks
Iron Warriors with both
Night Lords with numerous Raptors
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I had an army list that I did not think of as cheese, but have been forced to change it because everyone at my club called it cheese. It really annoys me that I can not have the freedom to make army lists I like without making sure it has more than 30% troops etc. If you face an army, wait 10 seconds before you call it cheese. You'll realise that any army can be beaten.
If someone's calling your list cheese, I have not found a way to change their mind, other than stop using the list.