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In our Gaming club with have a rather unsporting player, who seems like all he wants to do is win, nothing else. He doesn't seem to care about the feelings of the other player, the fairness of his army, and insults us often. Things like "I killed your bolter *****es, they deserve to die, because they have pitiful T 3, I really like enjoy seeing them turned into sushi by my awesome Shrui-cats.". "Ah! Suck on that with your crappy 3+ armour save!" "You orbital strike hasn't arrived because the pilot is wanking over your sisters." It really ticks me off. I don't say "Look at your gay Eldar fags, with their long hair, look how my mass-reactive bolts have turned you Guardians to the consistancy of goo.".
Also you know how it says in Imperial Armour 2 (the only IA book taht we can get access to) it says you can only use Super-Heavys in a game (under 2500) with your opponents consent? Does this apply to flyers to? It doesn't say explicity, but it would make sense (or maybe it says that in another IA book... can you give me a reference?).
Anyways I was going to ask him to be more sporting, and carefree when he plays with us. What do you think I should do?
Thanks for any advice
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; June 26th, 2005 at 10:12.
Frankly players like that are not worth the effort. Simple solution: dont play him anymore. We had an individual in our local GW who, although not as aggressive as your example, was very smug and could often be spotted cheating. (this guys like 21 with an unpainted cheese Tau army so guess how popular he was even before he played any games)
Our solution was to freeze him out. It sounds harsh but where not talking school yard where talking adults. If a guy is only concerned with winning then thats ok....as long as a level of respect is observed. Incidently, concerning my Tau guy, we all refused to play him, not just the vets but we got the Saturday kids to cold shoulder him too, as a result he no longer comes into GW and does not play anymore......job done I say.
Let me give you an example of a conversation I had with him when he asked me for a game one vet night....
Dude: "So you wanna game...40k, thousand points alright?"
Me: "No, I dont thinks so."
Dude: "Why? Why does no one want to play me this evening?"
Me: "Cos you cheat [dude name] and where all a bit sick of it."
Dude: "I do not cheat you !&*@."
Me: "Look, we could go on like this all night but were all in agreement that you do so your opinion counts for little. Go and stand some place else."
And that was that......
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There's always the simple evasion tactic, but if you wish, put it to him straight. I'm surprised a Games Workshop staff member hasn't banned him yet, or even had a word with him. If you're not playing at Games Workshop, then just avoid him. If he ends up with no games, he'll realise the error of his ways.
Well, you could either:
Tell him as a group that you don't want to listen to it anymore. That he either plays with your group and loses the insulting manner or leaves. Probably won't stop him being a power gamer though but if he knows that everyone is fed up of his attitude he'll stop or leave by himself.
Or your group boycott his games. Refuse to play against him until he learns that insulting people across the tabletop is a pretty underhand thing to do.
Does he do it to everyone he plays against or is it just you?
About the flyers, the polite thing to do would be to say before the game that you're using a flyer. It's something thats not in the Official rulebook so springing it on someone might be seen as cheese. If they're a good, honest player they shouldn't have a problem.
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It is very difficult in this situation I believe. Boycotting isn't an easy solution at all.
What the guy needs is authority. He's been shown authority from the mods here already, having been banned for 3 days for flaming.
If we were all to tell him that he is a poor player for fielding 3 wraithlords, he will listen to authority.
However, it will be a lot harder to stop his casual insulting. Truly, he needs to be sat down and had a good word with.
He must be told he's an arsehole, and if he tries anything violent then you then have very good reason to get him out of your face forever.
This thread is only being half answered, and I see it staying that way. Tell him you don't want to play against flyers. I know it's not simple, but tell him no and no and no and no and you will not let him play flyers.
Or you could have fun yourself against a flyer knowing you're not going to win? Take 500p under the limit, and tell him you're allowed to. That might actually work.
I believe (although greatly oppose), that any model that uses Forge World rules may only field them with 'opponents consent'.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
The only exception to this rule are models that simply replace GW models (such as a Vindicator) or allow a codex vehicle to be fielded with different weaponry (example, a Chimera with Heavy Bolter Turret).
I have never held with the 'opponents permission' belief that most people seem to harbour, I would rather simply 'serve notice of intent'.
So rather than say "May I use my Valkyrie" I would prefer to say "I should let you know I will be using a Valkyrie", thus giving him/her the opportunity to do likewise or attempt to include things that will help counter it.
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You could always turn to what I use to solve all of my problems - either fire, or a brick. At least until the police raided my house...
Seriously, I'd simply have it out with him. If more than one person dislikes him, then get quite a few people to tell him how much of a prat he's being and how they dislike the way he's playing. Tell him that you won't play him anymore unless he stops being like he is. And if he starts in the middle of the game, just take all of your models off of the table and go and play someone else. If he starts calling you a wuss or something because you're leaving the game, just ignore him - it's obvious he has really low self-esteem and is either trying to a) raise it by being like he is or b)get attention, good or bad, as he seems pretty starved of it. If you ignore him, or, like many other members have suggested, freeze him out totally, the attention he craves will be cut off and he'll either leave or realise that there is something wrong and change his ways. You just have to make sure you're disciplined - no one, under any circumstances, should even talk to him, as then you're giving him attention and therefore hope - he obviously thinks he's a really big man by doing that, so treat him like you would a snotty kid and ignore him, this will humiliate him and take him down a peg, meaning he'll know his place.
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I think the assorted Armored Company tanks, like the Vanquisher and Exterminator, are exceptions, too, just because they're put out outsude of IA, and they're from the old version of the codex as well.Originally Posted by wolfkin
Anyways, I would try and get your whole gaming group to fight fire with fire-have the whole club trash-talking his army. Hot to make him feel bad or anything, although that's a bonus, but to show him how much of a dumbass he sounds like. Idle banter is fun-I've lost track of how many jokes I've heard about Tau depth perception (See that blue...thing over there? Hit it!), but that is just way the hell too far.
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Funnily enough when you left the tournament (Alex) we played a forgeworld match.
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Being the defender I played with the list I had been using all day slightly modified to get near 800pts. At the end of the game I finished with two broadsides, one Shas'o battlesuit, two shas'vre battlesuits and sixteen firewarriors. This was against two fliers by the way. Therefore I conclude fliers are highly overrated.
Their are a few guys like this at our games workshop but not that bad, we still play with them though. I have to work on being a bit more polite myself, I cant seem to leave my 'gutter mouth' outside the GW, its not that bad but when lots of little kids are in I get a few warnings. Failing those 4 3+ saves really made me angery though! I would have ended the game right there if I passed even one!