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So, as we all know GW is a golaith in the industry of war gaming. Even on this forum, which is one of the largest, the other war games are dwarfed by GW talk. So why, as gamers, are we so connected with GW? I have tried War Gods of AEgyptus, War Machine, and Iron Kingdoms. I only liked War Gods but even I don't post in that forum because I can't get anyone to buy models and play the game in my area.
The real question is; as gamers are we afraid of change and community fragmentation or do we just pefer to speak a common language, if I may use the metaphor?
I'm not really sure where I stand. I like other games but I do like going to my local store and knowing that if I want to play a game of 40k or fantasy someone IS going to have an army. At the same time I am getting tired of GW's lack of caring for my wallet or my gaming experience. This is why I'm posting this now. What's your opinion?
Good question. I think because you can't play a tabeltop game by yourself, once one gets to the size of GW it will stay pretty popular because as you said there will always be people to play. You know that in most towns in many countries around the world there will be a GW based club.
So I don't know if it's so much being afraid of change as that GW is the obvious choice if you want flexibility in where and who you play, which is good for people who might move around alot.
People like being part of something bigger too. We are basically social creatures so most people's first instinct is to join the herd. But I think the main reason is that GW is such a large phenomenon so they can give us valuable support for our hobby. Also they are not likely to go out of business any time soon, which is something I look for when I'm choosing a game that costs me alot of time and money
Good point, but at what time/price range do new people stop getting into the hobby. When I started things were realtivly cheap. Now they've gone up so much. I think it's the Oddessy complex. The Oddessy being a failed gaming system from the 80's. It isn't that easy to throw twenty to thirty dollars out the window to see if you like biulding models and it's even harder to get people to spend twenty dollars to spend on paint. Now with basic troops being thirty-five dollars and paint now being three dollars a pop it is even harder to push this on people just wanting to expiriment with the game. Maybe I am just being pessimistic but I think this is slowing the rate of consistent players joing our ranks.
So part two of this question. Do you think that GW's practices is slowly draining the abilty of people fromt he outside world to get into the game, or is it thinning out the crowd and letting better gamers, if there is such a thing, join in?
Don't get me wrong, I could be completly ass backwards. It's been known to happen. I just want to know your opinions.
If anything, GW's practices are encouraging more and more people to join the hobby. The rules for their best selling game (Warhammer 40k) are becoming increasingly more user friendly if a bit illogical in many areas.
Yes, the price seems a bit too high at first, but when it comes down to it a LOT of hobbies are quite expensive. I've been playing bass guitar since I was 13. I've only owned three different bases and a two different amps, but I've spent at least twice as much on my guitar stuff as I have on my GW stuff. One brand new army might cost me 400-500 USD, but one new bass guitar costs 1500 USD, not to mention that a good amp, like my last Crate amp, cost me another 1000 USD.
Now to the question of why don't I play other wargames. Well, I'm in the military and I move around a lot. That meanst that whatever wargame I play needs to be in line with the community that I'm moving to, or I just won't get to play. That's the final reason that I stuck with 40k. I know that pretty much every army base that I move to will have 40k players, but for instance, I have only been to one base that had Warmachine players.
Personally, I wish that they weren't so monolithic in the industry. If perhaps they had more competition, then we might not get such shoddily edited books. Maybe one out of five blister packs that I buy wouldn't be horribly molded or missing pieces. GW really needs a big company to come in and start taking some of their market shares so that they'll have to step it up a notch to remain competetive.
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i play it for the simple reason that my friends plays it and that was the reason i got involved some 5-6 years ago, since i need an opponent for this game i dont really want to be arsed to try and find another game which i might enjoy more, why? cause iÂ´d have to shell out alot of cash to find this game and besides i dont think GWs games are bad at all infact very enjoyble at times :yes:
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I think a lot of it is because GW are so visible in the Marketplace, what other games company has a magazine devoted entirely to its various products that is sold in every newsagents across many many countries, and has its own shops in high streets of every major town?
I think with the boom in Internet shopping etc. GW's monopoly might start to wane a bit, as you no longer need to find a hobby store to buy specific game or model by the other companies- but i think GW's slick corporate image will still bring in plenty of young gamers who might not have heard of things like Warmachine, Dwarf Wars etc etc
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Personally I think the internet will make some other games a bit more noticed, because before I started to visit forums, cmon etc, I had a little knowledge about other games. Today, being the internet junkie I am, I've picked up Confrontation, will be picking up Warmachine sooner or later and has my eyed set up on a Sci Fi game called Infinity.
But for GW, well at the moment they can set what prices they want, the diehard Warhammer and Warhammer40k players, and the ones that are afraid of picking up another game as they don't know if they'll have anyone to play with, will still buy their minis, but I think they'll lose some players (I haven't bought a single new GW mini since the last price hike, but I still play the games) that discovers the other games (which can actually both have better minis and really fun rules). Also, I think that GW could need some competion, because as it is now, they got a too big part of the wargaming market if you ask me.
I have never found anywhere that sells any of the other war games. Or anyone who plays them in my area. Wheras theres a local GW and Nottinghams not too far away either.
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I think GW really tries to attract new people to the game.
GW stores can be found on every corner of the world, in all those stores they have some demo-models ready to teach new kids the rules.
And stuff like "Battle for Magragge"(game-in-a-box) makes people think that it is not so expensive to have a fun game.
Just about a month ago I started getting interested in Rackham's Confrontation. The local hobby shop is gonna start selling the models, organise demo-games and get people interested. (which worked on me)
The first big difference I noticed between GW books and Rackham Books, is that in GW books there is al kinds of stuff for beginners.
*How to paint your very first model quick-and-easy.
*Tips on starting an army, what to get first.
*"advanced" tips for those who know at least a little bit about the hobby.
*GW produces books like "how to paint citadel miniatures"
Rackham doesn't mention any of the above in the Confrontation rulebook.
If I were a big n00b, and never heard of wargaming before and some dude tried to sell me some Rackham stuff, I'd never buy it.
You get thrown in the deep right away.
*Go figure out by yourself how to start an army.
*Go figure out how to paint all by yourself. (thus ruining the first 50 models you buy)
I can imagine that would be pretty depressing for a starter.
On the other hand, GW nowadays seems so OBSESSED with attracting new people, that for the "veterans" there is not much stuff in the WD to keep them interrested.
That is what drives those people to other stuff (Rackham) that is new and fun to explore again...
Or at least that's how I think...
Chaos does not need explaining! guess what? Chaos cannot be explained!Originally Posted by BobaHat
The thing that hooked me on gw was the amazing fluff for 40k and fantasy, and the backround on the armys. i started gw with brets, and they were awesome. i loved the military combat. for me the best part of 40k is the fluff. absolutely awesome.