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    I mean, really. Storm Troopers. Purge the Unclean. The only thing I can think of that isn't Nazi-ic is Commisars, which is right out of the communist handbook.
    Particularly the IG. Look at Mordians and Steel Legion. They're virtually SS copies! Look at the standard of the Cadian 8th that Kell is carrying. It's an Iron Cross! Look at the medals in the IG codex. They're Iron Crosses. Conscript Platoons = Hitler Youth.
    And Space Marines. There the 'white arayan perfect race' that the Nazi's wanted. Come on, GW, really, at least be slightly more subtle.
    The more I look at the fluff, the more I see it...

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    lolz, They aren&#39;t just anti-semetic, they are anti-anythingbutthemachinegod/emperor... Also they are very paranoid...

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    As far as I&#39;m aware, there are only two religions open to the citizens of the Imperium... Worship the Emperor or Worship Chaos OR they could decide not to worship anything.

    So there are no Jews, and as such, they cannot be Anti-Semetic.

    However you could be correct in thinking that they&#39;re basically Nazis, what with their 10,000 year long reich and all..


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    Well, if you want to get technical and all, can they really be anti-Semetic since Jews don&#39;t exist in the 40K universe?

    No one&#39;s denying the obvious influence--the historical precedence in our own world--on the 40K universe. We see elements of the Inquistion of medieval Europe, the crusades of Space Marines (Imperial Fists and their successors), the Mordians were inspired by the British Army&#39;s actions against the Zulu. Then you see IG forces painted up to look like WWII Russians. IG tanks are big and box-like like WWI tanks.

    But yeah, I see how you could make such a supposition: the new Cadian IG line of miniatures and unit types have a definite influence from WWII Germany. Look at the haircut on the Cadian officer (great coat, sword held in the shoulder pocket), or those White Shields.

    We could keep going, and we&#39;d probably be right.

    Like those silly Catachans (Rambo). I can&#39;t believe a new line of models has been released&#33; :blink:

    C&#39;mon, really.

    How about plastics for the much more impressive looking IG? Wave Serpents for the Eldar players, redesigned Ork trukks and a real Battlewagon, non-FW Vindicators and Whirlwinds?

    No, we get Nazi-inspired Cadians, leading to accusations of anti-Semetism. Ork players have to use a deteriorating codex (hey Ork players, isn&#39;t fun watching everyone else get amended and improved). What kind of game is this anyway?&#33;

    Should have taken up home aquariums or something...
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    Fascist governments traditionally pick on a single ethnic group and use it to increase nationalistic tendencies. Whoever wrote the codexes for the various Imperial forces recognized this trait in humanity.

    The Imperium is actually more closely modeled after the crusading, heavily-religious warrior states of the Middle Ages. The Imperium is not anti-semetic, no matter how much you read into it. Jews or Muslims no longer exist, because no such religion exists. Man basically worships the emperor or the gods of Chaos.

    Furthermore, Commisars never exist in a facist government. They exist in a communist government.

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    just so you know the iron cross was in use along time before the nazis came about and also was used by alot of the Templar orders, and conscript platoons were used by everyone in WW1 and 2 although they seem more based on the masses of conscripts that were used by the russians in WW2.

    saying that the Imperium are nazis is just plain ignorance on your part. the imperium is a facist government and all facist governments both right wing and left wing always follow the same path ie. oppression and a complete paranoid hatred of anything that might take some of their power away. and to top it all off a hell of a lot of them are religious fanatics. the imperium resembles the holy roman empire more than the nazis what with the crusades and all.

    And Space Marines. There the &#39;white arayan perfect race&#39; that the Nazi&#39;s wanted
    come on thats just plain *****ing stupidity right there. the adeptus astartes arent even human anymore, and seeing as one whole first founding chapter is black(salamanders) and countless other successor chapters include more than just whites you cant say that the astartes are the the perfect aryan specimens.
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    If you look hard enough, WH40K can provide you with more and more possibilities. You can associate it with the Bible, the Torah and even the Koran accuratly. Heck, if you looked really hard, you&#39;d find some kind of world domination plan hidden in between two grots.
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    Oh for the love of god (or the Emperor)... <_<

    I&#39;m sick to death of all these &#39;is the Imperium a bunch of nazis&#39; threads&#33;

    YES they are intolerant towards other races&#33; YES they want to control their population with an iron fist&#33; YES they are fanatic in their beliefs&#33;

    But these factors are nessisary to ensure the survival of mankind in the wartorn 40K universe&#33;

    They are intolerant to other races because the other races aren&#39;t exactly friendly towards them&#33; They control their people with an iron fist to prevent them from being seduced by the forces of Chaos. They are fanatics because being strong in their beliefs is the only way to urge themselves to keep fighting.

    The Imperium is NOT a bunch of Nazis&#33; And they are definately not anti-semitic since there are no Jews (or any other present day religions) still alive in the 41st millenium.

    The Imperium fights to ensure the survival of MANKIND, white, black or brown against all who would corrupt or destroy it.

    What the heck would be the point of the game if the Imperium was a nice and friendly democracy who treated everyone kindly?
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    Someone mentioned the Salamanders as Black.

    The Dark Angels recruit from a feral world with a Native American concept (or is that supposed to be Indans now?) :unsure: read "Death Wing".
    Not sure if that concept is still valid, due to the new fluff about DeLion being from a medieval world.....why the heck would they only recruit from one feral world?

    The White Scars have Jagatai Khan, if you can&#39;t see a mongol connection I have no answer to that, but then historically they could be called Nazis bent on world domination.

    The only Aryans I can actually find would be the Space Wolves. Then there&#39;s also the fact that they have mutated to include fangs... :w

    As for being anti-semitic?

    Asmodai
    Ezekiel
    Uriel
    Azrael
    Abzadiel...hmmm...some of these names suspiciously sound like something from a book...any ideas?

    Another thing before somebody mentions swastikas. They are regarded in certain non-aryan parts of the world as a holy symbol.

    The jack boots desecrated the symbol for their own purposes.
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    Anti-semitic? Nope. Fascist? Hell yeah.

    Nazi thoughts aren&#39;t a 40k thing. Would a jew be killed in the imperium? You bet. Why? Because he worships something other than the emperor. The imperium is anti everything-not-worshipping-the-emperor.
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