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I am going to enter a tourny this saterday. It is an elimination style with likely 20some entries.
I am worried about 2 people I know will be entering as their armies are rather hard for me to beat, oly ever tieing vs. them and never winning. The Armies in question are a Stealer and Thropes Heavy Nids list and a Iyandin 4 Wraithlord list.
I dont know if I should even enter becuase of this. Them winning will help them get more powerful so my entry fee* could just be feeding the beast if they win. I think the main problem around here is lack of tourny organization, people just host them if they have tables and a place big enough (like Durham Collage lends rooms with big tables for it if we ask a week in advance). If we had a commision then we could make rules and standers banning some things it would be easier but try starting one :wacko:...
I think its nessesary but I would have to win over the most influenal players in the area first. Then if you want to enter for the money you must follow our rules. The problem is that right now people host them to make money for themselves, usually 10-20% of entry fees goes to the host to cover their time and snaks cost but they still make a good profit. Non-gamers do host them like the college but thats not to often, usually they just give them room and tables. If we had sponsers we would have power over the people entering but without them we dont, otherwise people would just run their own like they do now.
I need advice. If I should try and make a commision, if so what kind of restriction would be not unreasonble to use. I would not want to ban entire army lists making people unable to enter but things like Cody, regional champs DE list that gets first and second turn victories** is going a bit to far, why even hol the damn thing, luckily he rarly comes to cash related games so people dont hate him but he comes to atleast 1 tourny every 2 months and never lost a game in them with his lists, that he has never had to change once in 5 years of playing because they works so well for him. (When refering to 'them' its the same list but differnt point varients).
For the more this saterday one the other hand, should I bother? If I say I'm aiming for the top thats 4th place, 3 confirmed 1200pts lists I cant beat with my 1200pts list because they are just to good vs. Orks. 4th and 5th only get back their entry fees, so form a money standpoint is it worth ther trouble (not counting XP and Fun).
*Entry Fee: $20
**(without fail for the last dozen games I've seen him play vs. 2 people who were pervious champs, even at 300pts less than them)
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that if you are already getting anxious over spending the money on a tournament and posting your dillema here you probably shouldn't go.
Now on the other hand if you think it will be fun and even if you don't make it to the 4th or 5th place slot and won't miss the $20 because you feel you will get $20 worth of enjoyment out of gaming then by all means go.
As for the creation of your own tournaments - sounds like you want to squash army lists that you don't like. I don't know - it sounds a bit petty. As long as someone isn't doing anything game illegal and comes up with a working list I don't see a problem with it. The person you talk about who always wins - is it soley because of his list or is he a good player too? When you start putting too many restrictions on how someone can play a game - you will find less players.
Just my $.02
So let me see if I understand you:
There is a tournament that you are not sure if you should enter because you are afraid someone else will win, thereby receiving some money with which to potentially make their army even harder for you to beat the next time. This is bothering you so much that you are thinking of maybe having your own tournament so you can control things so that these people either won't enter or won't win.
Is this right?
Obviously you shouldn't play if you don't think you'll have fun. And it sounds like you are pretty obsessed by the thought of losing your $20 - or merely not winning the small pot and only getting your entry fee back.
If the money is that much of an issue for you, I don't think you should play. It really should be about the fun. and you can't really assign a price tag to that.
Besides, by my calculations, we are talking about a really small amount of money:
20 entrants x $20 = $400
less 20% to cover the overhead of the organizer (trust me, no profit here) = $320
less 4th and 5th place players get back their entry fees = $280
divided by the top three players = $93 each (assuming an equal split)
better than a sharp stick in the eye, but not the kind of money to get seriously worked up about.
Last edited by loosestrife; January 6th, 2006 at 00:53.
In regardsto it being the list or player we settaled that last month, he let me use it vs. the 3rd best player in the area when I challenged his Dark Eldar list for being "result of rules that should have been changed years ago" level of cheese. I had never used DE before and was facing a powerful Dark Angels army. I won 3rd turn, sure it wasn't first of second but the general idea of charge with Wyches from Raiders all the way across the table and Blasting at long range with low AP weapons from Ravagers is all it takes to defeat anything.Originally Posted by slorak
I know fun is important and the prize isnt that big but the statistics show that in our area the competing 3 Nids players have the greatest victory/lose ratio with the top player last lost games was last month vs. the above DE player. This bothers me because where the top Nids player has skill, alot dont and win becuase their units are just to hard to kill. Try taking on 30 genestealers in a small points game with any army that cant shoot like Marines isn't going to work. Its worst when itrs a 12 year old kid with the parents paying for everything the kid asks for. Thats why the above Dark Angels player I faced has a Warhound Titan and can feild a 60+ Termanator deathwing army.
Last edited by Osaria; January 6th, 2006 at 17:47.
What should be in the rules and what actually is in the rules are two different things. If they are putting together "cheesy" lists and it is in the rules - then I don't see a reason to gripe.
I still say that you probably shouldn't play. However if you decide to - what is stopping you from using the same tactics that they use? Just a thought. Fight fire with fire I say!
Not very "on topic", but you can't have 4 WLs in a standard list. 1 per Wraithguard unit and 6 troop choices. Easy math = 3Originally Posted by Osaria
Just wnated to point out that his list is iliegal