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    Why did the Small scale games go?

    I was wondering why games like Epic and Warmaster kinda got swept under the mat to the Specialist games dept? I can understand Warmaster more so than Epic 40,000 due to the simple fact that it was not around as long. But I remember when Epic was huge and almost anyone could afford to build a massive army with tons of vehicles. Heck one 40,000 vehicle cost could almost pay for a whole Epic 40,000 army. Does this have any relation to the other thread about GW monopoly money lust etc??


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    I think its simply because they are suplementary to the core games. Only the most hard core gamers of the core games are likely to try the more specialised systems. Hence the name specialist games. That said, BFG is still counted as a core game.

    But I think Its because they are no where near as popular as WHFB, 40K and LOTR.
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    Yea but what I am saying is that there was one point in time where Epic was huge!(Non-specialist) I am just wondering what happpened to that. I am thinking 40k is a lot more expensive to build an army with hence more money so that is why they pushed epic aside. But that is only my guess.

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    I think it might be because WH40k has a more hobby appealing side to it. In 40k, you buy, build, and paint your models, but in epic I think they already come built, and already painted. I'm not sure though - I don't play epic, and infact have only seen one game of it, so I could be wrnog.

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    In epic 40k you buy build and paint too. Just much smaller stuff.

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    In epic 40k you buy build and paint too. Just much smaller stuff.
    Oh, well then I don't know why epic isn't as popular now...

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    I used to play Adeptus Titanicus (Epic, before it was called Epic) and it was a really sweet game. At the time though, they didn't really have the range that WH40K (Rogue Trader, at that time) did. They started with the Horus Heresy. Basically Humans VS other Humans. They quickly added Orks and Eldar, but (at least in my area) by then the 'fire' had died out for the 'epic' scale.

    I personally thought the game was very good, but it really competed with battletech/mechwarrior in my area.

    I think that the slower pace with which they added the races, combined with numerous rules changes (that seem to plague GW) along with competition from other more established 'micro' scale wargames probably helped kill off Epic.

    Although, GW being a bunch of greedy swats probably didn't hurt much :yes:
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    I seem to remember Titan Legions being pretty big too. There were also the Squats and Tyranids too in epic. Then Epic 40,000 came out and the details got much better on everything. Then banished to the specialist games sectrum.

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    Basically Epic used to be a hugely popular game (for quite a few issues it consistantly got much of WD devoted to it). The main appeal about epic was that it was obviously on an epic scale this meant that fairly cumbersome rules such as having order counters (counters which dictated what you were going to do in the next turn) weren't too bad because the game took a long time to play anyway (compared to say WH40K which became a lot quicker when they removed various rules such as hidden etc).

    Then they released a new edition same rules pretty much but it added to the problem of having loads of counters and cards you had to deal with, in addition many of the rules for various races were streched over dozens of back issues of White Dwarfs. The game was due for a re-haul.

    However instead of simply consolidating the rules into a few volumes and cutting down on the counters they created a new game called Epic 40,000. This game was by any measurable standard worse than Epic and didn't sell very well. Then they produced a new revised version (which they have now) but by this time the popularity for the game had been dispated (I still play the old epic because it is better IMO).

    So basically the new inferior rules are the reason the games aren't as popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berny Mac
    Basically Epic used to be a hugely popular game (for quite a few issues it consistantly got much of WD devoted to it). The main appeal about epic was that it was obviously on an epic scale this meant that fairly cumbersome rules such as having order counters (counters which dictated what you were going to do in the next turn) weren't too bad because the game took a long time to play anyway (compared to say WH40K which became a lot quicker when they removed various rules such as hidden etc).

    Then they released a new edition same rules pretty much but it added to the problem of having loads of counters and cards you had to deal with, in addition many of the rules for various races were streched over dozens of back issues of White Dwarfs. The game was due for a re-haul.

    However instead of simply consolidating the rules into a few volumes and cutting down on the counters they created a new game called Epic 40,000. This game was by any measurable standard worse than Epic and didn't sell very well. Then they produced a new revised version (which they have now) but by this time the popularity for the game had been dispated (I still play the old epic because it is better IMO).

    So basically the new inferior rules are the reason the games aren't as popular.
    i still play the old epic too! (space marine era- never got into titan legions) its a very good game, and you could ignore the order counters (although this did water down some of the tactical elements) its strange how its appeal dissapeared- there was a point in the mid-90s when it was huge! but then again WHFB was probably bigger than 40k at that point too- but at least the Epic system is still supported (in some way) great games like Man o War have completely gone
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