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So how does one deal with opponents who challenges the rules on every thing you do when the rules are not explicitly in your favor.
There are many jerks at the store where I play and I was playing one (because he was the only one free and he was sitting on the table so I couldnâ€™t play anyone else.) It was 1500 points Necron v shooty DA and he challenged every rule and every action he could and placed the burden of proof on me. If I could not find explicit mention of whatever I was attempting to have my units do (and sometimes when I did find the rule and he counted the rule un-fluffy and not totally explicit)
I attempted to turbo boost my scarabs. He claimed that I couldnâ€™t because they only â€śmoveâ€? like jet bikes. He didnâ€™t even allow a dice roll.
Then he denied my (now shot to pieces) scarabs the ability to assault into cover without a difficult terrain control even though they â€śmay move through difficult terrain with no need to take a difficult terrain testâ€? because the book reads â€śmoveâ€? not assault once again he didnâ€™t even accept a roll to see which way it would go
Then he challenged every aspect of my monolith shooting a particle whip into his predator that I forgot to roll the additional d6 in armor penetration the second time I rolled it (he mad me redo because he had not seen the roll to hit)
(my fault I know but it was due to his actions)
so when the law is on your side but your opponent refuse to recognize the rule what do you do.
The traditional method is a dice roll but if you dice roll every time you are challenged you end up losing 50 per cent of your valid actions
The other option is not to play jerks but that is not always and option because one does not always know their opponent or have a wide selection to chose from
So what advise do people have for similar situations?
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Get someone else in the store to back you up. There'll always be jerks, there are always jerks at my store. Unfortunately your options are deal with it or quit the game. Small consolation I know.
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I totally agree. I was at Games Day 2006 in Baltimore, and my friend his cousin and I were trying to have a group battle. We couldn't decide on a three way battle, so we got a spare person. Lemme just say this. I forgot one or two rules and by turn two, he had destoyed 3 9-man squads using one black templar squad. He kept saying that if you consonlidate into a unit AFTER you've assualted you could assualt again. My friend was on this guy's side, and he's ten, and he heard too many curses then a 10-year old would normally hear. All I can say is pack up your stuff, call over someone of importance, or have a bunch of people watch your game. (Heck if they all say something wrong, you probobly shouldn't hang out with them.):yes:
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ah yes the classic example of of a typical " i am here to win not have fun" type gamer... tell them that if they are going ruin the fun side of the game they can find someone else to play.
because ultimatly what are you playing warhammer for? FUN! unless your a jerk.. just dont play them, they are bad sports and they will never learn that they will lose games nomatter what army they have!
there are that many rules in 40k unless you study the book for days on end re - reading it constantly, you are bound to forget some rules.
jerks liek that should be told to leave the store and come back when they are ready to play a game for fun.
the way i see it is if you win, thats an added bonus.
Last edited by Reflex; June 15th, 2006 at 05:40.
Dude- you play to have fun, right? If the game isn't enjoyable- stop playing. This doesn't mean stop playing if you're getting slapped about the battlefield- have some spine! (not saying that was the case here). If your opponent really is an irksome little snot and you don't have to play them for a campaign, tournament or ladder, stop playing. Explain to them that they aren't pleasant to play against and that their character models are badly painted (doesn't have to be true). Then pack up your toys and find someone else to play. Frankly I have little enough time to fit in any games- let alone ones that I don't enjoy.
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I HATE people like that.I bought a large samurai army for Warhammer ancient battles and painted it all up.A guy at the club i went to was going to teach me to play.He wouldnt let me do anything he just wanted to beat me.This guy moaned if you was a couple off mm out of a charge or shooting distance and used a pertractor to measure the slightest angleI never have used my samurai.
I get opponents accidentaly on purpose 'forgetting' a major rule but remembering the slightest thing you do wrong isnt in the rules.
Everybody likes to win but its nice to loose fair.If i lost every unit in a game to grots without killing a thing i wouldnt care because its fun and funny.
So next time you play against an arse like him just remind them its called a GAME for a reason.
(oh and then start asking them to show you where the rules are when they want to do something,that realy gets to them)
Now the kind of person that pulls you at every corner, and doesn't let you do anything...he plays for fun. But he only has fun if he wins. If he loses he will ***** constantly...won't quit.
It's those kind of people who make a crap game.
And I'd bet money that if (god forbid...) you shake his hand at the end, he'll have a limp, weak, crap handshake. Always the way. Why? don't know. I honestly can't actually figure it out. Perhaps they look at you with contempt? I dunno.
I play the game for fun, in that I don't care if I win or lose. What does it matter? really? Sure. I like to win. Who doesn't? but I'd prefer to have a close game, with lots of unexpected turns, and a non-*****y opponent than win with a complete massacre.
I'm with paintmonkey on this one, just stop the game. Pack your things and explain to him that there is no fun playing someone like him, that there are so very many diferent ways to play the game and he should look for someone like himself to play with.
It could be shortened to "grow up" or something.
Don't waste your time on idiots.
Well if you believe your only option was to keep playing then you can fight fire with fire. He played shooty DA so tell him his terminators aren't wearing terminator armour. That would piss him off a lot and then you tell him that if he stops being a jerk over rules you'll let him wear terminator armour again. Or that his chapter master doesn't have rites of battle. Or that your necrons get WBB every turn including his turns.
Of course if he isn't using terminators/commanders you obviously can't pull this on him. I have an entire list of attacks you can use to get a rules lawyer to break down by attacking their army with rules. If anyone wants to see it just ask and I'll e-mail it (no copyright material on LO so no post/PM).
Just fight fire with fire and he will probably back down.
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You need to argue with him, that nowhere in the rules does it state that HE is allowed to breathe, and therefore he has a choice, of A) HE must stop breathing until the end of the game, or stop rules lawyering every move that you attempt to make
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