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I have only one thing to say, the only thing anyone says is cheesy is an army that beats thiers. I say cheese doesnt exist, because the cheese is in the eyes if the beholder.
As long as it follows the rules there's nothing wrong in my opinion. No army is unbeatable.
The people who invented the phrase cheese are nothing but poor losers.
The point is to come up with the best way to win. Then you have to adapt to a certain situation to defeat a certain foe. Its called genralmanship not cheesiness.
Thanks Bobahat, its good to see i am not the only one who feels this way.
if your army tastes like or smells like cheese it is cheesy. otherwise it isn't.
it's funny when you are beating someone really bad w/ ur "cheesy" army, especially when they look up the rules constantly and say "i don't think u can do that" :ph34r:
I would say it does exist.
It is when taking advantage of the options available to your army goes a bit too far.
Lets assume an Eldar biel tan army, small, assaulty, very elite, deepstrike, infiltrators etc not being used.
The board has very little terrain on. The opposing army is SM with lots of 5 man squads all taking Plas and las or heavy bolter and plas.
The biel tan army would suffer horibbly, without a LOT of luck they do not have a chance of getting into combat..
To sum it up.
Cheesiness is taking an army designed only to win at the cost of you and your opponent having a fun game, which is what it should be.
i agree with that in some respects, yeah you can take it too far and be considered by many to be cheesy, and having fun is cool, but let me point out this if you were in an army in real life you would do anything to win. unless you are from midevil times where you had to win with honor, but basically the goal is to win at all costs. just my thoughts tho :ph34r:
Very well put dred. Think of it this way, Biel Tan lose there, but then next game they face DA again with loads of terrain and kill them with ease, then from your perspective the Beil Tan would become cheesy. Im trying to point out that cheese is not a factor, unless all you care about is winning. If the fluff for an army says the use lots of small unit, each heavily armed, I would take as small as squads as possible, with loads of special weapons. The only thing I think is cheesy is a small game using multiple force organaztion charts.
If you and your opponent aren't having fun it doesnt matter if your army is cheesy in your opinion or not
Virtually anyone can take advantage of an all star cannon army, its not difficult to understand its a godly weapon.. However you're gonna find your list of opponents dwindle if you continually play something like that.. People who do that think other people just whine, but in the end they have opponents and those who do that dont heh
Same goes in fantasy with skaven armies using 30 jezzails, grey seer and 3 engineers .. It may win you games, but you wont have very many games to play..
If you're in a tournament to win that's okay, but if you're just playing with friends lay off the super efficiency for the sake of keeping people playing.. Its no fun if people quit
I agree with you guys on several points, but there are actually some 'cheesy' things you can do. For instance I once faced 3 wraithlords in a 1000 pts game! :blink: You can of course beat the hell out of him if you are prepared for it, but I got my ass kicked pretty bad! I never play cheesy (or whatever we should call it) 'cause I think that it's ruining the game a bit. It's not FUN to play with 3 wraithlords in such a small game (80% of your weapons can't hurt me ). But I think it's OK if someone decides to play like that.
(btw I've faced players that thinks it's cheesy to use both smokelaunchers and extra armour on rhinos. Is it?)
i think the whole point of playing different armies is to the rules you have availibe to you the best you can and if that means taking things a bit to far so be it hey if i wanna take 3 whirlwinds thats my choice since im not breaking the rules so what
sure theres someone going blah blah blah thats not very fluffy or blah blah blah oh u only play to win. ummm yea sure its fun but its usualy the most fun to win i never complain to my opponent about being cheesey and they dont to me well not at the start of the game theres nothing worse then someone not complaining about cheese once you start beating them down
its this simple
if you dont like it dont play
theres no cheese just playing to your strengths and bad loosers
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