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ok i read a topic on the cheese of the eldar falcon army and that brought up my question:
what is the cheesiest army you have ever had to face and why(or seen)? and have you ever beaten it? how?
the one i have faced is my friends tau...40 fire warriors along with like 9 suites, farsight, and a hammerhead with railgun. why is this cheesy? b/c i play marines and cant get close
i have beaten it with a death guard army that i was playtesting(so he refuses to take the loss) but thats alright. and it wasnt massive fire power that kills him, it was the infiltrating squads with 4 plasmas each:shiftynow thats cheesy lol)
one more thing: what makes an army cheesy? is it just the fact that one cant win against it?
i really try not to consider my friends army as cheesy, more like a challange(all armies can be beaten) it's sorta like a math problem...you just gotta solve it.
but anyway continue and show me your puzzle(vet players are welcome to help some of us with our problems)
Cheesiest army ever was a Black Legion with khornate demon prince (flight and glaive until changed, then flight and whatever), bloodthirster, obliterator, markless min/maxed chaos marines (lascannon, plasmagun), bloodletters, 2 predators, bikers at 1,500 points. The most infuriating thing about this army was that the person playing had nothing to do with its creation; he canvassed veterans to come up with the strongest combinations, then bought the minins and had them professionally painted. After that he would come on veteran nights and strut around, always speaking about the GT, although the best he ever did in one was in the low 20s, if that.
Anyway, I didn't mind the army list so much, but this guy's attitude was all about the cheese and that's what I consider cheese, the attitude and mentality, not the list. Once the guy started losing he would begin complaining, walking off the table to talk to his friends, and not pay attention, becoming rather rude as the loss became bigger. If he won though, it was because he was such a great player. His tactics were pathetic as well, for example he always screened his demon prince with a rhino and would claim the magic cylinder rule for LoS, since the guy could be seen behind the rhino, being double the size. He was also quite liberal with the rules and when stretching the inch. Defeating him wasn't hard, his army was a one trick pony, after playing it a couple of times it held no surprises.
To sum up, while the army might be overpowered or unimaginative or unfluffy (only things with the mark of khorne were the demons and the dp, what a surprise), it is the attitude and mentality that make the whole experience cheesy. I am sure that if I played against the same army list used by a competent and serious player it would be great fun, not an exercise in frustration by trying to make the guy roll some dice when he started losing because he couldn't be bothered anymore.
What exactly is a cheesy army?
Basically, a really really strong army that wins nearly all the time, but it is normally no fun to play with or against. Really, only powergamers use them in friendlies, as all they care about is winning.
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A good example would be a super starcannony eldar army. It's usually built for the sole purpose of killing MEQ armies, and the players who do it tend to be gloaters as well (something about the eldar does that to people sometimes).
Cheese players tend to enjoy making the game unpleasant for their opponent. I have actually gone to great lengths to teach my club members how to identify them and counter them.
Usually your army stands no chance against theirs, so the best thing to do is find out what unit they are most proud of, ie:"my paint job on such and such is my best one yet", and wipe it off the board. You'd be surprised how much that ruins their day, and what lengths they'll go to protect said unit. This is normally considered a mean thing to do, so I only encourage it when you know your opponent is being a jerk on purpose.
You can walk away with a game loss, and a moral victory. I always say, "If you can't get the big win, get the little one."
The main armies of choice for cheese are Eldar and Chaos (and on the rare occasion the Imperial Guard tank company, but that don't count).
Necron's and Nids (Godzilla complex) can be a tough nut to crack for most inexperienced players, but don't really qualify as cheese in my opinion.
I have yet to encounter other examples, and with every new codex there are new ways to make a cheesy army. But it's something we all encounter from time to time.
Also, beware of calling cheese too often, sometimes players are merely using what they've found works best for them, and have yet to attempt different things (due to lack of funds or other issues). Consider those harder armies to be a challenge to your tactical abilities, and ask others about how to counter their formidable defenses. It's at points like this that seemingly useless parts of your army may suddenly have value.
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40k Wise I suppose it'll have to be my friend's Black Templar with a tooled up Captain, Chaplain, and a unit. Since the game let's the opponent do this and get away with it my IG never had a chance.
Fantasy wise is probably my friends Dwarf Gunline, though frankly I fought it only twice and one time it wasn't fair. We were supposed to do a thematic battle, and I took an all mounted Blood Dragon brettonian force from the backlist. He frankly didn't get the idea, and built an army solely around depleting mine. My only saving grace was the Blood Dragon count, which can go all 40k style and take a unit by himself.
I fought the Falcon force you mentioned, same as Dwarf player above and beat it senseless. Basically all you need is any ole Horde army, Orks in my case, and take out all his foot troops within the first few turns. Then the last few turns will see the Falcon's desperately try to kill you're troops, which will be impossible and you'll win eventually.
Hi there, Ive played some serious cheese games, and ive been called cheese many a time too.
For 1000 points i use Iron warriors (Chaos with no limit on oblits and 1 FA and 4 HS)
Lt with kai gun power weapon +1S +1T
Two units of 5 marines with lascannon
Two units with two plasma guns 1 at 8 strong 1 at 7
Would you consider this cheese? Personnally i believe ive mastered how to use this list (playing it for nigh on a year now). Dont get me wrong ive lost with this list a few times (alot in the early stages). So what do you think?
Ive played an eldar army that was Alantioc (i think) with nine units of Scouts! a Wraith lord and a seer counicl equivelant. It was hard to play against and was very demanding. There specail rule disruption is insane!
I drew the game, figuring out that i was safe behind my heavy armoured Vehicles and then marched into combat.
Ive played a khorne army that moved at the speed of light, it scared the hell outa me! I also drew that game, i just couldnt kill enough before they got into combat.
One of the first ever battles i played, i asked this eldar player if he could be generous and go easy on me. His idea of going easy was having way too many guns my power armour didnt get a save against.
some say my IG army is cheesy, in fact ALL ork players ive played think so... I dont do it as a powergamer or as a cheesetosser, its just the way i made my army when i got it... I wanted a specific look and feel so here goes:... i have a LARGE amount of infantry... very little armor...
I always take the sharpshooter option, and stick to weapons that allow me the reroll of attack through the rule. I take heavy weapons squads and commissars to ensure discipline, and my army is preferred enemy "ork". All my squads carry vox, and generally i dont move forward, but instead try to bound backwards to suck the orks into my zone of fire. Thankfully ive never eaten TOO many combats, and the ork weaponry is usually silenced by my lascannons in the HW teams and on my sentinels. Commissars and officers all take power weapons and plasma. Usually Ill go for invulnerable save stuff, and of course a good battle standard.
Since ive expanded, and i have actual armor now, even a group of ogryns and stormies... i will always love my mob of infantry tho, the big crimson 5
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I haven't played against this army yet as the player is working at a different GW now, but it has 50 DC marines with meltagun and VS w/power fist or power weapon, a DC dread, and a DC scout squad. He joked about taking nothing but scouts! 60 infiltrating scouts w/feel no pain and furious charge, CHEESE!
A cheesy army my brother might play is a Raven Guard army led by Shrike and his retinue, scouts, and allied Black Dragon assault marines. Scouts pin and hold up enemy squads untill BD assault marines and RG assault marines move up into assault. Not as cheesy as some other lists, but there is enough rending in there to shake a power fist at.
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