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Hi all. I had a thread like this on the B&C, and must say the response was better than I could have hoped for.
To start with, please follow forum rules, as well as this one: No GW bashing. That isn't the point of this thread. There is plenty of space if you wish to bash GW. This thread is to offer ideas as a community as to what we'd like to see from GW.
Can we leave price in general out pleae as we all want lower prices, but value is still a valid subject.
So, if you could change one thing to improve GW, what would it be?
Personally, I'd bring Fat Bloke back as editor of WD, that mag had so much more for everyone then it did now, also without too much of the batrep fixing that goes on now.
I throw it open to you guys.
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Well to start things off, I'm sure everyone would like a price drop in GW products. GW is great in the sense that they provide a lot of direct help through their stores located throughout the world. They're also esential in keeping the hobby alive by providing a place where gamers can meet. Since I only play Warhammer, heres some things I'll like to see:
1. Increasing boxes sizes to their regular unit sizes. Since 7th ed came out with their increase from 4 men to 5 men to make a rank, irregular box set counts such as 16 models becomes quite reduntant. By increasing the model count to 20 models, the regular 5 x 4 unit size can be deployed.
2. Price drop. Period. Paying $20 for one figure seems over the top for me. Many of those that start Warhammer are immediately turned down by the price. Me being 17, find it hard to an army of 2000 points which is the regular size game where I live. 2000 points...depending on the race you choose can cost well over $300 especially if you're picky about your hero/special/rare choices.
3. Plastic models. Sure, metal models are great in detailing but plastic models are:
a) more affordable
b) makes converting a bit easier
c) would you rather pay $20 for one metal model or $35 for 16 plastic ones?
d) in my opinion, the detail difference between a metal model and a plastic one is not huge. Sure some collectors want the extra detailing but thats the difference between a gamer and collector
4. More friendly direct retailers which provide a gaming day each week. I live in NYC, surprisling I need to travel 2 hours to get to the closest GW. Sure they have several private clubs, but they're less friendly towards outsiders.
5. Updating GW website more often with showcases, GTs, a more elaborate report on game day, current projects, etc...
That's all folks. If you think I was bashing GW, I'm not. GW is great in several aspects. Their website is quite helpful especially to new gamers just beginning to paint/model. Also they have one of the best customer care that I know of. Just some minor changes that would make a great deal to us, gamers.
WHFB: Warbands/Border Patrol
Release a plastic HQ with options for every army.
The space marine commander is a great model with tons of options. Imagine the ork, eldar, or ig commander.
My blast template of S10 AP2 will toast all terminators.
so this is like 100 flowers for china in 1956-57.
1) to start with, the prices. i think that they could base there prices on exchange rates instead of there won marketing. (without postage) it would be cheaper to buy a box of marines in england than it would be in australia. i dont mind a slight price hike to cover the cost of shipping, trasport and such, but they are certainly making more than enough from the price increase here in aus. and as one has stated, the blister packs should be reduced slighlty.
2) there metal figures. i like the look of them. there eldar rangers rock. cant get enough of them. here is my bone to pick with them: alot of metal models i see have cracks in them. this can be because of a number of reasons. it could be the temperature of the metal is to high and/or they cool them down to fast, thus cracks occur. it could be poor grade lead. i dont know but GW needs to do something about that.
they are the only objections i have about GW. i do like GW, with out it i would not have the minitures i enjoy to paint and game with.
atm GW quality is increasing due to the more revenue they are making. for example, the battle for skull pass is a classic example. 100 minis in the box, for only $85 AUD. this is good. the down side is the mini's in the box are very static, but they are still nice mini's.
oh wait: 3) WD... i think they need to stop advertising on such a huge scale and rather have more: tactics, battle reports, convertions, armies, not so much stuff to do with space marines.
thanks for reading.
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Well this one probably won't matter to most people, but here in New Zealand there are only 2 (!) GW stores, so what I would love to see is a NZ GW Online Store so I could atleast get my stuff from GW without having to order through independent hobby or toy stores, (or buy online through the Australia or US sites, which is just a hassle with the currency conversion). Although incidently, it is cheaper for me to buy from the US GW site and pay for shipping from there than it is to walk to my local hobby store and pick up the same thing, or order the same thing, as the case usually is - they almost never have what I want in-store.
So yeah, more GW stores in NZ or at the very least an online store for us.
Another thing I'd like is a big, thick hard-back with _all_ the codecis in it. Just the codecis and army-related Chapter Approved updates and errata. That would be pretty cool I think. Just one book instead of half a dozen codecis laying around, with errata and FAQ printouts shoved inside.
Oh! And heavy/alternate weapon sprues that you can buy seperately. So you can upgrade your guys (I use IG) without having to buy seperate metal models.
What? You won?! CHEESE! Hey everybody, this guy's army is CHEESE!
Some of thier box sets 40k or WFB don't make much sense on what you get in them. They change what you get in some of them. Here's a one example:
Tyranid Guant Box Set: 8 Hormagaunt & 8 Terma or Spine Guants. Granted 8 is the min number needed to field a brood. How many nid players acutally field broods that small? They should make it so it's either 16 in a box of 1 type Horma/Terma/Spine. Or have enough bits in there so you could mix/match all 16 the same is you wanted. Instead of restricting it so the most you could make of one type is 8.
The core 40k/WFB box sets could be better IMO. I was personally disappointed when I found out the models in the new WFB core box set only come "one way". You can't really customize them like you can a normal box set. Granted I did like the spiders and the mini pocket rule book.
One thing that really irratates me is they release lists for different theme armys that become popular. A general rule change comes up later that causes that list rules sets to come into conflict. Instead of redoing the army list, they just say they no longer support that list. If it's not one of the core lists, they get snubbed later.
Also how long it takes them to update some stuff. The Tau where nice and all, but the Orks and Eldar are LONG overdue for updates. Granted they are both getting upadated in the near future. The Eldar soon and the Orks in a couple of months. But it's way overdue. Yeah they've gotten some new toys here and there. IMO thier update should have happened around the time the new updated 40k rules came out. Not a year after the new core rules came out.
Lets not forget the pricing. I admit, the models now look much nicer then they did 5 years ago. (The new Eldar look sweet!) Those prices are driving away the parents from letting thier kids get into it. A buddy of mine who owns a comic shop that also retail GW stuff. He says it's the pricing on them that drives most people away from getting into it. Not the building or painting, the pricing.
Last edited by xcom; September 19th, 2006 at 05:37.
I'd like to see more plastic models because they are easier to glue, if they break they can be fixed easily. Easier for converison and they are cheaper. Use resin for more detail.
I would change several points re: GW.
This is not flaming, but honest observations that i think would make the company better
1. Pricing Drops, there is no reason why 16 plastic models should cost $35.00 US. or that 1 model should be $22. They shoot themselves in the foot with online sales, bc ebay and 3rd party retailers do a lot more business with a 10-30% reduction in price.
2. Changing ALL WHF regiment boxes to contain 20 units. If they are going to change the amount on units to form a rank, they should stop the 16 man boxes, and maintain price at 35 or drop (no increase)... if zombies and skaven can come 20 a box, so can the elves.
3. WH40 squad boxes need to come with a static number as well. 20 gaunts would be better than 16, and the ability to make them all hormo or terma. genestealers need to go back to 12 a box, stop shafting us with 8 for 30, its a rip. additionally, if a termagaunt is worth less than a guardsman, they should come in AT LEAST commensurate numbers.
4. WD should be revamped, carrying only WHF and 40K, LOTR should have its own book if it is so popular.
5. More curteous staff at the GW in Glenn Burnie, as well as the indep. retailers. If they are going to sell GW products they should be at least as helpful as that guy on the phone order center.
6. Bring back the 4th Ed style magic box. That thing was awesome. I still have it,and at times, with the right company use it.
7. Upgrade armies that actually NEED overhauls: space orks, DE, Eldar, Dark elves, empire, undead vampire counts, chaos dwarves; there are 90 million space marine and dwarf armies out there, they dont need a new touch every year.
8. make more online software to create army lists that automatically tweak out inconsistencies in lists to make them a baseline "play legal"
9. bring back the "ravening hordes" rules until they redo the armies that need upgrading or remaking (chaos dwarves, etc)
10. Make a plastic box of gretchin for 40K, like 20 a box, so that we can play the orks the way they are meant to be played, crazily and indiscriminate.
11. Eliminate the "you cant shoot into your own units to kill the enemy" rule... if the skaven dont care about the slaves im pretty sure that the orks care about the halpless gretchin, or brettonian knights car for the peasants they drive into battle as meatshields. Or that the empire REALLY cares about the free company. Lets show the fantasy middle age time for what it was, brutal and unforgiving!
12. Make ALL plastic regiment sets, lets leave metal for those collectors that want them... i dont know about you, but I want plastic witch elves or daemonettes.
13. Make all warmachines plastic.
14. Make actual good FPS games... firewarrior was crap.
15. Treat customers with dignity charging a fair market value for the items, and not like a pimp treats his charges.
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Wow! Where to start?!?
Firstly, let me say that we're all here wasting time on these boards because we're hooked on GW's games. I'd go so far as to say that we LOVE them. Perhaps that's why we get so passionate about what we feel is wrong with them.
1) WD. COME ON GW! WD sux at this point. I'm sure you lot have an archive of old issues...
Go back and look at some in the 270's and earlier. We KNOW you can put together a decent magazine, you've done it in the past.
We DON'T need:
a) 15 pages about how to assemble and paint the newest model x3
b) the editor telling us all about HOW cool the newest X is for 2 pages.
c) the sorry-*ss excuse for the current battle reports
d) LOTR. Fine, you're contractually bound to include it. BUT my guess is you don't need to make 1/3 of each mag about it.
e) Group the games in individual sections again. I hate jumping all over the place. The new format stinks.
f) where the heck is stuff like chapter approved, index astartes, and all the other cool stuff that made the magazine WORTH buying?????
2) Price. Raising prices to cover a drop in sales is NOT the way to do things. Don't rape the 10% of us who stay with the game for over 1 year. Look at comparable MODELS produced by model companies. $60US for a LRC is a joke when you can buy WAY more detailed tank kits at the same size for 1/2 that price. I love your games, but I'd spend a LOT more on them if I thought I was getting a decent deal instead of grudgingly buying what I need. This type of practice sours players and chases them away.
3) FAQs, Updates, PROOF READING. Please! have someone who KNOWS the games proof read rules before they are issued. FAQS, Updates, and corrections should be timely and LESS confusing than the original problems.
4) SMs. I play SMs, and I love them. But, come on guys... There are other armies out there that MIGHT sell just a bit better if you updated them occasionally (orks anyone?).
Same goes for the models. Your work is great, I'm really excited about the new Eldar. Thank you for that. It just needs to be a bit more timely.
5) Plastics. Apart from a few particular crazy-detailed-uber-champion models, do 'em in plastic. Oh, and I'd like a commander box set for every army 'ala-the new SM commander (aces work on him BTW).
6) Awesome work on Battle For Skull Pass! A really good value (at least in the US) with decent models, and a new full rulebook. The starter booklet could use at least ONE scenario that uses the FULL rules in it though. It could also use the actual stats for ALL of the models that came in the box
Other than that.... Thanks for keeping up the coolest sci-fi story in decades, making some sweet models, and keeping the games for said models fun to play.
Last edited by artificer; September 19th, 2006 at 16:12.
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Well, there has been a lot of talking about prices, so I wont bother about it.
The thing that disturbs me;
If your boxed, and I don't care if it's metal or plastic, has any options whatsoever, include all of them. Actually I'm talking about the CSM Khorne Berzekers boxset. There is this rule that the entire squad has to take the Chainaxes, if so. So what does GW do.... put 4 axes on the sprue, although there are 8 Berzerkers in the box. I don't know if there is more like this in other boxsets. The same goes for normal Chaos Marines. If I can equip my squad with Chainswords and bolters, my 8 man boxed set should be able to provide it. And as far as I know, there's only 4 of those sets on the sprues in the box.
The same actually goes for stuff like regular space marines. They only include a missile launcher. If the squad has other options for more fun and more playability, I don't think it should cost an arm and a leg.
Or even Dark eldar. A box of standard troops can carry 1 or 2 Dark lances. Those are nowhere to be found. Instead, a box has 4 Splinter cannons, and a full 20 man squad (and a box has 16 warriors) can only use 2.
Perhaps boxes should even include the maximum amount of models a squad can have. It's quite rediculous to buy 2 boxes, just to for a single squad (like 20 Dark Eldar, 16 in a box or 8 Chaos Marines and a squad can have up to 20 models... make boxes of 10 for **** sake! That way I don't have to buy 5 boxes to make 4 squad of 10 for example)
Yeah.. and metal models. I do like em, but they're a pain to convert. :yes:
And last but not least. Like someone said before... exchange rates. I don't think they should change em every day, that would be really rediculous (imagine people waiting and at a sudden buying loads, just because the British pound is cheaper today :lol: ) and they could make prices more consistent. If I pay 20 British pounds for a Chapel of Sanctuary scenery piece in England, why should I pay 60 euro (roughly 40 pounds) at the German GW shop, while the same item is 30 euro on the French GW website. (I did ask about it at the GW shop in Germany why it was... they didn't have a clue it only cost 20 pounds :s)
Now those are some things that annoy me somewhat. Especially the amount of models in a box and weapons on the sprue thing.
And did anyone notice; New big boxed sets are getting more expensive. A megaforce is a bargain, but that being said, I don't think everyone has 100 pounds to spend on a Space Marine megaforce. And even now, the new Eldar "megaforce" is 145, although it comes with a lot stuff. Giving people a bargain, because you save a lot of money, for stuff you probably wouldn't buy a short period of time isn't really a bargain in my opinion. As told the new eldar set, 145 pounds is like a arm and a leg for a student, who may or may not have a job beside his study. To keep it short here. Give back Battleforces and Megaforces for 50 and 80 pounds respectively. Oh yeah, and give al armies such a deal. And do an extra boxed set like the Eldar one only for a limited period of time due it's release and a few months after.
But that's my 2 cents
And a final thing, which they did do good. Giving 2 free miniatures with the WD. They should do that more often. Or just a single one.
And yes, I do agree that the WD isn't that great anymore. I just joined the entire WH40k wagon since March 2006, but I bought a backissue of WD (281 for ruling of Cypher) and even that had more of a structure in it. And they should keep the Index Astartes in it. Some modeling info and tips are great, but not everyone is that skilled with his paints and brushes, they should keep that in mind.
And talking about painting skills. 'Eavy metal team does some really cool stuff, but they have to stay realistic. People get into a GW product because of those nice and shiny pictures, it takes a lot of skill and practice to have yours look like theirs. Which eventually, might cause a player to lose interest along with the prices.
Last edited by Chaoschrist; September 19th, 2006 at 16:32.