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I recently started going to a nearby store more often. It isn't my hometown store, and it is populated by ridiculously new players. The problem is, they're breaking the rules in a myriad of ways. None of them know the rules, not even the store owner. When I try to explain the rules, I look like a jerk as everyone piles on me with their incorrect ideas.
I'm unsure how to approach this situation, as these aren't small mistakes. At the last tournament, I got a draw with a necrons player. I then did the army calculations and realized he started off with about 277 more points than me, in a 1000 point game (obviously several hundred points over the limit). His necron lord was carrying the monolith particle whip (yes, you read that right) and his standard warriors were carrying the immortals' guns. The situation was complicated by the fact that I was the only one with any army list.
The final match was with a chaos player running a defiler. The store owner didn't understand the rules and ruled that the defiler could fire 3 battle cannon shots a turn while firing as barrage. Both times I tried to explain their flaws, and both times it led to horrible arguments. I then proceeded to take 3 shots a turn that were able to insta-kill any of my crisis suits.
While I won the tournament, the cheating was rampant and irritating (but only due to the fact that they're all so new). I'm not sure how to approach it without looking like a jerk, what do you think I should do?
Ask yourself why in the world would you trust a win loss record? Playing them yourself is the only way to tell.
The true joy in the game is playing down to the last model, no matter the odds.
All you can so is have a rule book on hand, then there can be no arguments.
Equipped with the latest XV25 Stealth Armour these troops are the 'love wolves' of the Tau army, operating independently of other formations.
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I find there are almost no compedative gamers at my local store. Most players there have some idea of the rules, but theres a lot of stuff they get wrong. Their army lists are even worse, and the tactics are none existant. Most armies will sit and shoot with almost everything, except one commanders squad whos either mobile, for the few tau armies, or uber expensive and assaulty for space marines/chaos.
Sounds like you are beating your head against a wall, if everyone at the store and the store owner play that way then you are stuffed, you have 3 choices:
1: join in - 1000points = 1000 steminators with las cannons converted to fire like assault cannons!
2: go away - find somewhere else to play or give up entirely
3. nice and ploite, educate them, explain that you want to use the rules, you respect their choice to play the way they do but you would prefer to use the rule so would they mind horribly if you did? this approach is used at my local club, the kids tend to play without the use of rules using all minis they have, the adults play with proper rules
Everything you have been told is a lie!
cheredanine, advising people to cheat, tsk tsk, shame on you!
Maugatar and Magila have the right idea's, Take the large, hardbacked version of the rule's, and use it to beat people over the head with!
Failing that, when you start a game, state your only willing to play by the proper rules. You have spent a large amount of cash and time in building your army and dont want your enjoyment being spoiled. If rule breaking still occurs, and the culprit doesnt want your teachings on the proper way of things, dont give them the sattisfaction of a full game, just pack up and walk away!
Mutter profanities under your breath until you feel better.
It works for me.
My response was to spend far too long indexing a BGB for quick and easy access to the relevant pages with which to batter thier puerile and childish arguments.
Even then so many of the people I play are stuck in 3rd edition it's untrue, alot of players who've started after 4th have a much better grasp of the rules.
I am reminded by your Necron experiance of an Eldar player who decided on finding Powerblades in the back of the book and 'close combat weapon 1pt' in the armoury that the two were the same and thus the 1pt Powerblades for entire Seer Councils was born.
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So you won the tournament even though they all had more points than you and were cheating? Whats the problem :w00t: Maybe your example of knowing the rules and winning will be a shining beacon to them and they will change their ways. Or maybe they will just come up with even more inventive ways to cheat.
Helper monkey, bring me beer and donuts
The most inventive way of dealing with this kind of problem I have seen is the automatic remving or reappearing of models that are the result of blatent cheating. Choas Lord equipped wrongly well it is automatically disqualified and everything it killed back on. 250pts over...well remve 250pts worth of troops and so on. This will either lead to huge arguments or actually work ( I have seen it lead to both!)
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