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    Codex: The Iron Warriors

    Hello everyone im new here n i got some researching to do! :ninja:

    Well here in australia we have a subject called Design and Technology and involves creating any project that has a justified want.

    Right now to go along with my Iron Warriors Army, i am making Codex: The Iron Warriors and was wondering if this idea would be efficient enough to generate an income.

    So the question;
    Do you play/have played Iron Warriors?
    What are/were their advantages/disadvantages?
    Why would/did you choose Iron Warriors?

    Please answer this if you have the time as i am finding it very hard to get people who actually answer this. :wacko:
    Also kudos on the forums, thyre very nice. lol

    Thank you!
    Please try to refrain from language, spam and the like as this will be documented.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TysanKlai View Post
    Hello everyone im new here n i got some researching to do! :ninja:

    Well here in australia we have a subject called Design and Technology and involves creating any project that has a justified want.

    Right now to go along with my Iron Warriors Army, i am making Codex: The Iron Warriors and was wondering if this idea would be efficient enough to generate an income.

    So the question;
    Do you play/have played Iron Warriors?
    What are/were their advantages/disadvantages?
    Why would/did you choose Iron Warriors?

    Please answer this if you have the time as i am finding it very hard to get people who actually answer this. :wacko:
    Also kudos on the forums, thyre very nice. lol

    Thank you!
    Please try to refrain from language, spam and the like as this will be documented.

    I think an Iron warriros Codex would be commecially viable if there was more troop types and background about the legion to make it worth while (at the moment there aren't really enough rules or background to warrent a completly seperate codex distinguishable from the Chaos Codex). Incidentally ONLY GW could make money from the Iron Warrior codex as they own the IP. To a private individual or other company the commerciable viability is nil.

    In answer to your questions I have played with Iron Warriors, Their massed firepower was a big advantage. Disadvantage: Expensive.


    Iron Warrirors are just cool, alot of style, I love siege warfare. I went off them in favour of Khorne because the army was less expensive to buy and easier
    to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TysanKlai View Post
    Right now to go along with my Iron Warriors Army, i am making Codex: The Iron Warriors and was wondering if this idea would be efficient enough to generate an income.
    Like Visitor Q, I feel it should be made clear that since Games Workshop owns the intellectual property and copyrights of Warhammer and the Iron Warriors Legion, only Games Workshop has the legal rights to publish and generate an income from a 'Codex: Iron Warriors'. All violations of Games Workshop's ownership would be considered defraud and met with heafty legal action.

    As long as you're making the Codex for your subject only, I don't think it'll be a problem if you remember to credit Games Workshop where credit is due; they have a list of disclaimers and trademark information that they like people to include in all personal projects using GW's intellectual property, found here. However, don't expect to be able to ever publish your codex other than on the internet, for free, as an unofficial supplement to the original rules set.

    As for the Iron Warriors themselves, I haven't actually played them. However, in response to Visitor Q's claim that there isn't enough background information on the Iron Warriors to warrant a new codex of their own, I would just let you know that there's an article on them in the first Index Astartes compilation, and that they also have a fluff novel from Black Library, 'Storm of Iron' by Graham McNeill, which is well worth a read if you want an idea of how the Iron Warriors plan and execute an attack as the siege specialists they are. Maybe the book will even provide inspiration for the additional troop types that Visitor Q asks for, and it's certainly a good read, one of the better publications from Black Library in my opinion.

    Incidentally, if you don't want to buy an entire book and can't find it to borrow from someone, there's a PDF extract of 'Storm of Iron' to be found on Black Library's homepage, here. A worthwhile read too.

    And finally, if you'd like to include some fluff in your codex (and what is a codex without fluff?), I would recommend that you stop by the Fluff-Masters' Clan here on LO, found here (Fluff Masters Clan); we're crazy about fluff and can definitely give you help and advice if necessary, plus we always love to read new fluff. So please do drop by if you'd like a chat. :yes:

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    We have DT in the UK and I'm doing it for GCSE; I'm thinking about making a Miniature Model Painting/Modelling Table.


    Iron Warriors, I've never actually played them, although I started them and planned them but never could afford the models!

    Advantages:
    All-Ranges Firepower - They have so damn much!
    Heavy Support - Up to 4 HS choices rather than 3, have Vindicator and Basilisk as well as standard Chaos vehicles.

    Weaknesses
    Close combat - They have no units that are great at close combat.
    Daemons - They have none.
    Fairly Expensive

    There are more, but those are the main ones. They are very much a stand-and-shoot army.


    Codex-wise, as already said it wouldn't be possible to actually make and sell it as GW hold all the copyright rules etc. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TysanKlai View Post
    Hello everyone im new here n i got some researching to do! :ninja:

    Well here in australia we have a subject called Design and Technology and involves creating any project that has a justified want.

    Right now to go along with my Iron Warriors Army, i am making Codex: The Iron Warriors and was wondering if this idea would be efficient enough to generate an income.

    So the question;
    Do you play/have played Iron Warriors?
    What are/were their advantages/disadvantages?
    Why would/did you choose Iron Warriors?

    Please answer this if you have the time as i am finding it very hard to get people who actually answer this. :wacko:
    Also kudos on the forums, thyre very nice. lol

    Thank you!
    Please try to refrain from language, spam and the like as this will be documented.
    By "subject" I assume this is a class project for school.
    Of which, I'm sure the point of the exercise is to research and possibly develop a product, not necessarily actually sell it.
    While yes, all of the intellectual rights associated with any of the fluff is the property of GW, as long as you don't try to turn an actual profit, or sell something they see as "competative" they won't care.

    Now to my opinion.
    I like the Iron warriors, I do play them from time to time.
    Would an IW codex be enough to generate "an" income, yes, would you be able to live off of it? No. Say, you do get it designed, and GW agrees to pick it up and publish it through them, you would most likely receive a flat fee, or maybe a residual/royalty.
    I highly doubt that the actual demand for IW is high enough to make a whole lot of money, since it is a sub-population of the people in the hobby actually play them.
    I just don't think the market demands the product, thus there is no need for making it.
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    So the question;
    Do you play/have played Iron Warriors?
    Yes, my army is names Steel's Reserve

    What are/were their advantages/disadvantages?
    The main advantage of Iron Warriors is the massed fire power with emphasis on heavy weapons that have a high strength and the possibility of landing 4x 5inch templates which can negate 3+ saves. In addition, the small number mean your army is elite with high leadership thus easy to hide. Despite popular opinion, Iron Warriors can be an excellent infantry army with the ability to take 4 Havoc squads and kit them out to do your dirty work if necessary. Want them to kill Tyranids 4x Heavy Bolter, kill tanks 4x melta guns with tank hunter or 4x plasma guns with tank hunters.

    The disadvantage is with all the toys most players forget the focus is on the marines. This results in an severally small army that is easy to break/swamp in close combat. In addition, the army is traditionally slow as it has 1 fast attack slot, and most people don't have points left to even consider it. Lastly, Iron Warriors carry a huge negative to them in other players minds, most people will refuse to play you because you play Iron Warriors and they think you will take all Ordinance weapons.

    Why would/did you choose Iron Warriors?
    I chose Iron Warriors as they were my first army and i like the idea of a bitter, hard to break army that is not really chaotic. For example, Peturabo the primarich is still alive, and is bitter that he was tricked by horus into attacking the loyalists. He often felt he was forced into a garrison role when he should be attacking. As result i use a counter attack army that focuses on obliterators and marines to be interesting. the result is a army that can shoot and fight and is a blast to play. No one complains when they play you as it has a little of everything.

    Depending how detailed you want information i can go into more detail.
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    Thank you so far people.
    Also with people clarifying whether or not i own the right to sell these codex.
    No i will not be selling the product.
    The process i am in is based on theoretical fact and i am aware of the legal pressures this places apon me, the Codex i create will only be for marking and my HSC purposes.
    Oh and also my own gaming purposes, though i might get another printed.

    Thank you again people!
    If there is ANY way at all i could help you. Let me know, lol. :hump:

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