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What was the worst bit of cheating that you have ever seen?
To start the topic off here mine. Please no names or flamming
I had a guy who:
Through dice at my LRC
Stole some of my dice
Left dice where he was rolling and only picked up the high dice
did not take model off the tabel when they were killed
add or subtracked 8inchs per move
Yelling it not fair at me when i won the game (breaking the most important rule, have fun)
The list go on, and on ,and on and so forth.
Question all that you see
Hmm. It'd have to be this one time were I went to my local hobby town usa. That paticular day there was in lot of little kids, middle school age. I was playing one, who played space marines. I was playing chaos. I had just destroyed his precious land raider, with a melta gun squad. I turned around real quick to eat some of the food I had bought from good times, and when I turned back around, he had put his land raider BACK on the table. I don't know how he thought I woudln't of noticed....
On a less extreme note, many people try to squeak out extra distances when shooting and moving, or reposition a dice when the opposing player isn't looking.
Usually, I don't have too much trouble with cheating, however.
i dont bother with cheaters. Some say i just bitch, but cheating defeats the purpose of the game, i play people young and old, and if i catch them cheating, i pack up my models, game over. Then i'll prolly start a game a with someone else. If you want to cheat in a game, go play counter-strike. Warhammer 40k if about fun, not winning. For example, i was invited to a large games night at my local hobby shop. Was a pretty big event, lots of people. I was against a Tau player. I was lucky to have versed him, as most of the others were about 14-17 years old, and had one thing on theyre mind: winning. There was no prize for the winner, so i dont understand theyre gain from cheating to win. Me and my opponent both had a great time, when he basically demolished my grey knights as my grand master snipped through his 4 squids of 10 fire warriors. If we had a dispute at all, for example "reckon this battlesuit can see that squad of grey knights?" we would just roll a die, on a 4+ they could see em, on a 1-3 they couldnt, so simple. The fellas at my nearest games workshop tond tollerate cheating at all, even in friendly matches. Bit extreme, one time i saw an employee castch a guy cheating, who denied it even though he was caught red handed (removing an opponents model while theyre back was turned) this broke 2 runles, cheating, and moving other customers models without theyre concent. After a few minuites of argueing, the store manager came out, and just kicked the cheater out, once again, simple (even though maybe a bit extreme) but it fixes the problem quick smart.
In closing CHEATING IS WRONG, if you catch your opponents cheating, its up to you to decide what to do with them. But if they cheat in a tourney, please tell one of the event organisers, for the good of yourself and those around you.
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A lot of the guys I play with know their armies so well, or come to the game with premade lists, that it's very seldom anyone ever needs to check an opponents list for any issues. However on of the younger players in the store has routinely played with lists that are significantly over points (like using 1850 in a 1500 pt game), and also tends to make up rules whenever it looks like he's loosing.
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I played a Dwarf player-an adult who completely misinterpreted his rules, how runes work, and claimed he could re-roll misfires when he could not. The insulting part is i'm a Dwarf player and have played him several times explaining the rules clearly and he continues to "mis interpret" each time. Finally in our last game a on looker continued to point out his "misinterpretations" and forced him to play correctly. Needless to say he lost pretty badly and took the loss horribly so much so i refuse to play him again.
I have no problem reviewing rules with people, and hey we all make mistakes, however my biggest peave is pointing rules out to people and them chosing to not follow them as it hinders their armies. i find that players don't grow and evolve unless they learn different aspects of the game and continued "mis interpretations" prevent growth on both players parts.
ADDITION: Worst GW staff cheating.
I formerly played in a GW store that boasted their staff were excellent players and could take anyone on. Well being a good player, and a solid tournament player i accepted a invitation into a staff invitational tournament. During the first game i found out that staff were allowed a number of re-rolls per their seniority. Basically I lost every game because they used their re-rolls to prevent miscasts. I was furious and no longer play there often.
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My worst experience was at the local GW. And it wasn't my opponents it was the store staff.
Due to a certain amount of player favoritism (fairly extreme in this case) 2 players teams were allowed to come back a neigh unlimited number of times (a squad of warpspiders came back in full force 5 times, after taking more kills than I care to count, and an avatar died and was resurrected 3 times). Usually I don't balk at this kind of thing in a megabattle, but it was actually preventing other players from getting to play (there was a limit to how many teams could be on the table at once). And they were mishandling other peopleâ€™s models ("here let me just *whack* move my avatar through your squad").
I've also seen a player drive one landraider OVER another. Seriously, it was right on top of the other one. I let it slide because I had already won the game at this point and they were both his LR's, talk about mistreating your own models though.
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One of the more amusing things to do with cheaters, is to let them cheat away during friendly games, then nail them during the tourneys.
I was 'taught' to play by a guy a few years older than me in school. He always battered me until I understood the rules well, and spotted his cheating. One of his more obvious cheats was to move a unit at one edge of the tabale, then another somewhere else, then go back and move the first one again! Duh!
During the first tourney we played, I pulled him up on every cheat and smashed his army to pieces - a complete annihilation. Funnily enough he never played against me after that.
Have fun all.
The only cheating I have ever encountered was at a one day tourny at a GW. I played a guard player who made up rules as he went along, as soon as my chaos lord assaulted his general he suddenly all the guardsmen with the commander had 2 wounds. I knew this was ridiculous and simply asked him to show me where in the codex it said this... He changed his mind fairly quickly :yes:
One of my mates used to have a chronic cheating problem usually it wasn't an issue because it was all good fun.
Anyway one battle he was the equivilent of two land raiders and a vortex grenade (this was 2nd edition) over the points. Plus insisted on being able to destroy pieces of cover, by turn two I was playing on an open battle field facing an army primarily consisting of Space marine devestators and of course the two land raiders (I was eldar)
Same guy fought someone using all four Imperial assassins...in a chaos army. I don't know how he swung that.
I have been guilty of ultra cheesy play that borders on cheating when I was younger, taking the grand supreme patriarch as an Ally for my dwarf army (again an earlier edition of WHFB when the supreme patriarch was actually powerful).
My brother was using drop pods in the old epic system. He didn't load his space marines into them and insted used them as an orbital bombardement (they caused damage if they hit anything but killed the occupants). My other brother he was playing went ballistic.
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Ahh, I forgot. Many people use too many points, even if they know they are, or try to bend the rules.
I once played a Necron player who was using about 800 more points then me, in a 1000 point game. Needless to say, I lost.