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Just looking for a few direct comparisons between the starter boxes for WFB and 40k. I intend to purchase one, or the other, along with a couple Paint kits for the appropriate game as Christmas presents for my sons. I'm having a tough time deciding which to purchase. I have read up on the GW site, here and a few other places, but I haven't been able to find a review that directly compares the two boxed sets. So, if anyone who has both could help me out a bit, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I'd really like to see direct comparisons between Macragge and Skull Pass, specifically on:
Game Rules - how nice are the rules in play as well as how nice are the printed books that are included?
Quality of Figures in the box - Skull Pass has bunches more models than Macragge, what other differences are there? Are the Macragge models really nice, or bigger than those in SKull Pass?
Everything You Need To Play - how quickly am I going to get bored with what comes in the set? I have some money to spend in the future, but, I play a wide variety of games. Which box will I want to add to sooner? Which one will serve me better if I never purchase another GW product?
Well there both two completely different games just to let you know.I know nothing of WHFB but I do of 40k since I play 40k.
The contents in BFM are pretty decent really.
You get a small rule book which has all the rules you need to play.It does not have extra fluff,rules for kill team and combat patrol but it shouldnt matter yet as your just trying to get him to play the game.Considering the rule book is $50 here and your buying tyranids,marines,terrain,dice,templetes,ect plus a rule book that normaly costs 50$ for only $45 is a nice deal.But the rule book in BFM is paper(no hardcover or anything) so depending on the age,expect this book to get torn,and ripped up with time,so your going to want to get the big one with time as well
The plastics have parts of two armys of 40k,you will not have a legal army to play with yet though.The marines and tyranids are simple.They are mostly whole,except the back packs and bolters on the marines,and the arms on the nids.There snap on but I don't care what they say still glue them on.
The set only is to get started with 40k.There are many armies in the game(about 11 at last count)and each are different.After you finish ask what army he wants to start.There are plenty of units for each army,you need 1 HQ and two troops choices.Marines would be easy to start this with just to get maybe a kill team or a combat patrol in as all you need is a HQ as you can split the 10man squad into 5 man but its not recomended,get another squad.The armies are on GW so just go through them with him.
After he chooses the army,post in the respective forum of the army and ask about how to start it.People will be more then happy to help you.
Have fun and happy gaming.
I am sorry I cant tell you about WHFB but somebody will. :yes:
Might I be able to ask what age your kids are?
Last edited by Mrgame; December 13th, 2006 at 00:40.
the thing is, macragge (40K) is a futuristic wargame, set in the year 40 thousand, with guns, bigger guns and tanks, whereas skull pass, is more like lord of the rings, set in ye old world, of myth & fantasy, if you get what i mean,
personally id go for macragge, as it seems around 80% of gamers between 10-18 years old prefer (enjoy) the futuristic style, to back up my statement, games workshop's best sellers are space marines, (figures you get in the macragge box) and its second best sellers are chaos space marines, also a 40k race.
Last edited by Dr Snuggles; December 13th, 2006 at 01:26.
Originally Posted by Cheredanine
also, Macragge is WAY cheapper than skull pass, so the money not going to skull pass should go towards paints and other hoby starter needs
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I would suggest that never buying another GW product would be very limiting in terms of how long the game keeps your boys interested. There is a lot to both games that you can't get from playing with such a small number of models. To give an idea, both games work in "points". Basically, you'll agree with your opponent to play a game worth a certain number of points. A standard sort of size for 40K (the one with armoured marines and guns and aliens) is 1500 points. Models that are more powerful cost more points. Part of the entertainment value of the games is getting to put down armies of your models, and utilise all sorts of different models in different ways, using their different special rules. Playing with just the box sets doesn't really let you do that.
My point is, if you never intend to purchase anything else GW, it may not be the best idea to start on it.
Well, if no one will talk about the battle for skull pass box, I will
In the macrage set you get a really nice deal and for young player, space marine are the best because they're good at everything. They have good stats everywhere but cost more in term of pts than tyranid (the other race in the box).
The battle for skull pass box give you enough model for a 500 pts game with two army wich is really good for the price and I mean REALLY good. You get the dwarf army and the goblin army (but normally there orc but let's not go deeper in the game), two army that are not so difficult to play for children. Though, You need to know that fantasy is way more tactical than 40k in my opinion so maybe for your children the macrage set will be easier and maybe more fun to play.
But in term of price for quantity, the battle for skull pass is the best deal.
Anyway, the two game are a costly hobby and need some work to really appreciate it (painting and gluing), you could buy one of the two box and see if they like it and then you see if you need to buy more.
Hope I help ya!
I'm in the USA. Both sets are $45 retail here. The paint kits for 40k and for WHFB are the same $20 price as well.
Besides that, I've been painting minis for a long time, and have a good supply of other hobby needs. I'm just specifically asking about the box contents of those two sets as compared to each other, not the hobby in general.
Its hard to compare to completely different games.
In the skull pass box you get enough to have a small legal army for dwarves and goblins.
I find WHFB boring(no offense to those that play it though),I just don't find it enjoyable.BFM has enough to play the missions you get with the box.Thats it,no complete army,but you get parts of the two armys to build off of(Marines and nids).
The rules are different in both games.40k you have a lot of rules as with fantasy,its hard to compare them both.They both use pretty much the same outline of rules.
The figures are well,almost the same as the ones in the ceperate boxes.But the ones from the boxes are generaly better,you are able to do more with them in terms of,converting and giving them wargear as the ones in both starter sets are partly whole.But the models in both boxes are pretty much the same in terms of what they look like and quality.
How boerd you will get.Just depends.You could finish BFM probably in a nonstop evening,maybe two evenings if you want to get the most out of the box,same I would assume for skull pass.But eventuly they will want to build an army.The most you will get out of the box is maybe one week if you do one mission each night,and do the same one over covering the rules in the same night a few times to make the rules stick. It jsut depends on what army you pick.
40k you need two troops and an HQ,marines and chaos marines would be easier to start as the squads coutn as one troops choice,now if you start IG,it will take a while,there troops standards are a little different.You will also need a codex I hope you know for what ever army your starting(army book for fantasy).Sometimes the battle force(regiment box I think for fantasy)is good,but somtimes thye give you crap in the box.just depends on what you want.I would say build it up slowly with individual boxes.
As mentioned above they are completely different games with different play styles and settings. Honostly the Macrage box is simpler for newbies because you only get 1 space marine unit and 2 trynid units. Hardly and army, its just enough to give you a taste for the game. For a lasting value under your specified terms i would have to suggest the BFSP. Granted it is a little bit harder to find oppnents sometimes in fantasy but the box set really does give you two small armies that can be viable sources. Skull pass doesnt really just dip your toes in like macrage it more or less is a dive. IN fact if you buy two of them you 2 medium size armies...for 90 bucks that is an absolute steal. Cosidering ONE army of comparable size would cost you twice as much. Its up to you what game system you want to get your boys into. But for pure value as the starter set goes...the BFSP wins hands down.
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Like I said earlier in my previous post, the fantasy box get more model and more pts for your cash and none can't argue it. You get two small 500 pts army while the 40k box, you don't even have enough model to play a legal game (1HQ and 2 troops) but only skirmish and thing like that.
Well, I don't think you can get boored in one week with the fantasy box because you can play real game with real composition not like in the 40k box that only give the basic to introduce you to the game and if you want to play bigger game, you just need to buy a second battle for skull pass and you get enough model for a 1000 pts game with each army wich make you spend less money (not alot of varity but heh, for the price, is still very good).
We can't really help you more than that, eveyone said almost anything that you need to know about these boxes. Hope we help ya.
EDIT: Well, it seem you beat me up C/-Rt3r but anyway, I let my post for more repeated information
Off topic: Mr.game, funny that you said that fantasy was booring because at my store we all turning to fantasy because 40k was becoming a little booring, it all end to who had the better dice (specialy with shooting army) and fantasy offer us a more tactical game but that my opinion. Just my two cent