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i'm kind of bummed out becuase i just played against this one guy and i feel like his tactics weren't very fair. it was a 2000pt match and he fielded 6 venerable dreadnoughts using the imperial armor volume two rules. these dreadnoughts are Bs5, by the way. each was equiped with a twin linked autocannon, a missile luancher and they all had tank hunters. thats two shots at str8(against vehicals) with rerolls to hit, and one str9(against vehical) shot. i remind you these are all hitting on 2+. also his entire army was just those dreadnoughts and one HQ and two 5 man squads of marines. anyway, he got first turn, and managed to destroy all four of my vehicals, and killed about 20 scouts. most of my anti tank stuff was on my vehicals, so i had no chance of hurting all his dreadnoughts. further more, he just hid his troops behind terrain, so my marines(which are equiped with anti infantry weapons) had nothing to shoot at. also, my assualt troops were useless becuase i had nothing to charge. so basically, i could do nothing on my turn, so the whole game was just him shooting me. it ended up that i didn't kill a single thing of his and he wiped out my entire army in like three turns. then he had the nerve to try and tell me how i "should have played" the game. anyway, the whole ordeal was very frustrating and i feel that he didn't win from being a good tactician, but instead by using cheap tactics. whats your take on this guys?
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There's a very good reason that Imperial Armour rules require opponent's consent. Just don't let him play with those rules anymore.This requires a bit more context. On one hand, he could have been being a jerk and trying to rub it into your face. On the other, maybe he was genuinly trying to offer some advice to help you improve your game.then he had the nerve to try and tell me how i "should have played" the game.
A couple things:
1. Imperial Armour (as far as I've been lead to believe) is by opponentâ€™s permission only unless it's a tourney and they specifically allow it. It has never made sense to me to say "yes" to such a request unless I also had some neato ForgeWorld kit to play as well to help balance that out, or unless it was a friendly game of sorts and I wouldn't mind losing but just play for fun. So you should have the option (even if he doesn't announce the fact) to say no to playing against that list and force him to play something that was built straight out of a codex or not play you at all.
2. It looks to me like you have run afoul of a "winning is everything, screw sportsmanship" list. Some might call it cheese, but most armies have abilities to pull out such unbalanced forces (what some would call "cheese" others would call "competitive"). Thinking about 6 venerable, tank-hunting dreadnaughts is an interesting proposition. I have difficulty thinking of a balanced force that could easily counter this without being completely kitted to just take down armor heavy army lists (ex: A list that was build to take on an IG Armored Company, would probably fair well here). Him telling you how you "should" have played is just bad form. Personally, I would have responded with "How about we switch forces and play again and you can show me how it should have been done." Then, if his theories of how you should have played were correct, he would do well and you could take some pointers on beating his special flavor of cheese. Otherwise, you'd trounce him and perhaps he'd have learned a lession on keeping his army lists competitive and fun at the same time. Then you can tell him how he should have played: fair. Usually, folks that field these sorts of lists all the time run out of opponents to play against.
My two cents.
I have 2 takes on this scenario:
1. The player was out looking for a big win. Some people get to a point where they're tired of playing the same old list, it wins against this and looses against that. And they just want a big gloaty win. It's not cool, or sportsmanlike. But some players can get like that, especially if they've had a large string of defeats with their previous army. They always play the big power lists (of which there are many) and they target specific places/opponents. Because they know who can handle them and who can't.
2. You ran into a super collector (the forgeworld stuff is a big sign). These guys don't play the game, they collect it. And, every once in a while, they come out of they're little collecters caves and go around showing off their big fancy models, and beating every person they come across. Then they dissappear for a while until they've got more stuff again(usually they sell the older stuff on ebay).
Either way, this person doesn't sound like a player. I've run into people like that from time to time, they can get snobby and hollier-than-though, and it's annoying. You get intimidated by the sheer collectyness of the army at first. But, with time, you learn how to handle people like that.
It comes down to learning when to say "no" to a game. Sometimes you just have to walk away in turn 1, other times you'll be able to tell what type of player they are right from the start and avoid it.
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Thats a really unfair list. Next time play IG or tyranids and take like 200+ models and with melta or krak grenades and blow them up in assault.
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that really sucks dude!!. people like that are such jerks, next time do something like slann mage priest ixiban says and cream him and then rub it in his face! in the immediate future tell him to jerk off.
also 2 questions: was this at the store or was it your frient ? if it was your friend try talking to him nicely. and does using imperial armour require your opents consent?
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Last edited by brendino; January 4th, 2007 at 05:12. Reason: bed spplling
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