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Painted to a decent gaming standard.
3 colors, and it's good to go!
Built and primed.
Painting is optional, but models are a must!
Whats paint? Arms? They have arms?!?
Proxy rules! That soda bottle is a Carnifex!
So, I had a thought recently (shocking I know).
I know I've seen this come up before as well, but I wanted to test the waters myself.
What's your oppinions on painting standards?
Do you think it should be painted up well? Based? Or just glued together? Or maybe even proxied?
My club has a stern painting standard (tournament level at least). Basing isn't required, but it is preferred. And we require all models WYSIWYG.
Of course, we offer assistance to those who struggle, freely. We even go so far to help in purchasing the right models for players. But we're an isolated group, far from any large concentration of players. So we have to rely on each other to keep things going.
Will you play against someone with proxies?
I know I must sound fairly rediculous asking that, but the subject has come up here from time to time. We think our rules actually scared two people away. And we're wondering if we should become....less strict?
Have we become "elitist"? Or are others just lazy?
After all we went to the trouble to build our armies well, why shouldn't we expect the same? Especially since we offer to help do it. We know not everyone has the ability to paint well, so we try to help them overcome that.
Still, getting an outside ruling seemed the best way to answer the question.
Your opinions are greatly appreciated.
Edit 1/22/07: Thanks to the comments on this thread I've been able to convince my club to adjust it's standards in regards to new members. It's great to see so many different points of view.
Last edited by Carot; January 22nd, 2007 at 18:30.
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maybe just start out with being leanient to "new" people in your club, but make it clear that they should get the real stuff AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! maybe let people proxy once or twice just so they don't end up wasting like 50 bucks or something, but only once or twice, as long as players don't drag things on...
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Kids I allow to primer/proxy. Noobs can primer/proxy. Testing out a new build, proxy away. "Dude, I've played against you Tau 25 times, can you at least paint something!
That I can't stand. It ruins the spectical of battle.
What do you guys class as proxying? Some people i know wont allow to field Teclis as a normal high elf mage, or Eltharion as a Blademaster, or TYrion as a prince or commander, this a feel is too much as you have bought the right models for a big collection and just want to use them as a replacement for other modles in smaller battles, i will allow someone to proxy with same race/size regiments a few times just to see how they get on as once isnt always enough
As for pointing, aslong as its gradual increase, 1st time nothing, next time undercoated, 3rd time it having the main few colours done
All "you"s in this post are generic, it is not aimed at anyone.
I have very strong opinions on the matter. You have been warned...
As long as the base is the right size I don't give a shit what you use, heck you can use just a base if you wanted.
Seasoned players know what most base sizes for units are, so even then exceptions can easily be made.
Silver Helms as Dragon Princes, Stegadons as Chariots, Saurus as Temple Guard, Clanrats as Dwarf Warriors...my list of proxies goes on.
When it comes to painting though, that's when I get really fired up...
What on earth is all this "as long as there's progression then it's ok" bullpooh?! Thanks for telling me what to do in my spare time, has it occurred to you I may have better things to do? I hold no aesthetic value for my armies whatsoever, FB is nothing more than a social tool, which I use when I hang out with certain friends.
To be brutally honest, I actually think it comes from a subconscious resentment/envy that someone may actually have a life outside GW - "OMFG! That guy obviously doesn't value GW as the be all and end all of his existence, it might not even be his MAIN HOBBY! *gasp* He must become one of us!"
As opposed to something like "Ok this guy obviously isn't a hobby gamer but it's not for everyone. He's a nice enough guy who turns up for a good time. Let's live and let live, instead of being complete..."
This probably flies in the face of many people on this forum, but I'm afraid there is no middle ground for me on this one. I refuse to put even a drop of paint on my army (and yes, most of it is painted, although because I wanted to have a go at it, not because anyone told me to) because you think I should/am lazy. Luckily I have a gaming group who share exactly the same sentiments as myself.
Yes I will probably carry my army in a shoebox, but I'll also probably buy you a beer afterwards, and if you've made a friend then isn't everyone a winner?
Your an elitist scumbag! hehe
Seriously though i dont feel any of your rules are too strict. As far as the painting goes id say that as long as its clearly shown that the individual has at least attempted to highlight or shade their mini's that they should be accepted. Even if it is a poor job, theyve shown willingness and effort. Just painting all their marines blue though obviously shows they dont care and should be shown the error of their ways.
As for proxying, i think a maximum of two games should be permitted so that they dontwaste their cash on somthing they might not want. Even better if they can borrow someone elses models for the game, or substitue somthing they already have and clearly state that the model is representing somthing else.
I feel proxying is fine as long as your opponent tells you what each of the things are (and I probably ask 3 times a round). The reason why I personally feel proxy games are great is that they help you try out a new list, or let you see how a new unit will work on the field before you dish out the cash for them. I think it is important for people to find a faction and a build that they will enjoy playing, and I always will help someone out after the match if they want it. I enjoy painting models and I really can't understand why I see people play with poorly painted "blobby" armies. You are paying for the pleasure to play with and paint the models, otherwise it is just a waste in my opinion. Having strict rules on having all painted armies really tends to hinder the people (like myself) who like to take their time to paint their models well. I would much rather see a gorgeous half painted army that one that looked like it was just thrown together.
i try to at least have my models be asembled and at least the same colour, but i try to do them to a desent.
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Well, I will have to respectfully disagree in part with Stonehamby.
Now, I don't mind people who don't have every unit painted to a tournament standard. As a slow painter myself, I appreciate that it can take time to paint uop the units that you are so fired up to use, and that a few games are going to be played with nothing but primered minis. No problem, and we all have lives. Though I personally won't field a mini that's not completely painted and based, that's a personal choice that I certainly would not hold anyone else to.
That being said, I do not agree that just playing an empty base is acceptable. Part of the enjoyment of the game is the visual aspect, and if you're just going to play with chips (i.e. bases), then go play Risk or something. I don;t think it's asking too much to have SOME mni of reasonable size as at least a proxy.
Plus, I alwyas enjoy seeing different paint schemes and trading tips.
Just my opinion.
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