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This question was posed in another thread, and I thought it was a very good one.Originally Posted by Visitor Q
Personally I don't think it's cheating if you switch around a couple of units from your usual build to accommodate for a certain army. Balanced lists are the ones which work best anyway.
Tailoring can sometimes be a disadvantage. For example I have a Slann LM army and a 10 dispel dice CC LM army. Can you really afford not to take a good magic defence against the possibility of a Slann? Even though if I turn up with my CC list they will effectively be points down the pooper?
Last edited by Sammy the Squib; January 15th, 2007 at 12:48.
it is ok if you play the same person constantly. theres nothing bad about it actualy you could change your army before you go to play some one and have the perfect plan for the models you swapped over and then find your opponent has done the same but has something that destroys your plan altogether so id be careful when tailoring.
but it is perfectly fine
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If you just got your ass handed to you big time and didnt change your list around a bit then the hobby wouldn't be that much fun as the ability to change things in your list is one of the things that gets people playing 40k in the first place.
Army Tailoring dosnt nessecarilly mean that your powergameing as some army builds are not very effective against certain armys and it can't be very fun for you to lose time and time again. As long as you don't max out on landspeeders then i think its ok.
We do it all the time.
To us it's a part of the game, and one good reason to keep expanding our armies.
I'd say it's all fine and dandy as long as both parts are doing it. If the battle on the other hand is between bloke A who owns but 1500 pts of whatever and brings it all, no tayloring, and bloke B with a huge army picking only "kill army A"-troops, then it could be considered unfair. Especially if B is a more seasoned gamer...
I like fair games.
Tailoring is seen as cheesy because if your list really were balanced you wouldn’t need to tailor it. For example, my list has many las cannons and is basically anti-tank. It does not fair well against real horde armies (i.e. 1k, 120 models, IG type horde). I could swap all those las for heavy bolters, “it’s just a few swaps here and there.” Personally, I think that’s a little cheesy. I should have a list that considers Horde armies, not just change my list so it’s good against ‘you’ ‘today’. It’s also why I don’t tell people what I have before we play. It prevents tailoring. Honestly, no one has ever asked. All just IMHO.
IMHO the only thing army tailoring effects is bragging rights
It would be natural for any commander to use intelligence on the enemy and reconfigure his plans appropriately, eg, the enemy from their speed, and satalite/areal reconacaisance are a mechanised force, deploying as many as possile AT guns would be sensible.
Dont see how that is cheating, I have no problem with people reconfiguring their armies to fight me, I occasionally do it myself, although the core remains the same, 20% or so may change (typically things like one of my razorbacks with TLLC becoming a whirlwind)
Admitedly it you have to bear in mid your opponents enjoyment of the game, but otherwise???
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There is a quote from the Art of War which I think is quite relevant here. I don't know it exactly but it goes something like this;
If you don't know yourself or the enemy, you will not win once in a hundred battles
If you know yourself and not the enemy, you will win half and lose half
If you know both yourself and the enemy, you will not be defeated in a hundred battles.
I think the same applies here, but that's from a purely winning point of view.
It depends on the setting. If its a tournament, then you should have one set list so that everyone is in the same boat, but for just going to your local GW, playing friends etc, tailoring your list shouldn't be a problem.
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Some armys really need to tailor there list to even stand a chance at winning like orks for example, try beating a mech Tau list without 5+ Rokkit launchers. It can't be done.