Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
I am a primary school teacher and have being playing 40k for 15 years. I am required to set up a after school club and thought it would be a good idea to share my hobby with the children because there are many cross-curricular links involved such as art (painting models), design technology (builidng scenery) and maths (arithmatic, estimation, measuring and probability) .
However, the headmaster believes the game would promote voilence in the playground because the models carry weapons. I have arranged another meeting to try and persuade him to change his mind. Can anyone help?
"Crime is merely a left handed form of human endeavor"
Blood Angels 6000pts
Chaos Space Marines 3000pts
Although at a glance 40K is seen by many (typically parents which you may have to put up with as well) as promoting or gloryfying violence it is after all just a game with static models. Any form of violence is largely left to the imagination of the viewer and in many cases when playing the gamers tend to overlook how the models look after about 20 min and more as set pieces like in board games. As you also said it requires at least some form of mathmatics and artistic skill and usually raises both by making it more interesting. I would even say try to get him to play a squad on squad game like posted in the GW site. Good Luck to ya.
Compare it to television.
Besides, as Synergy said, they're just plastic models. It's not like you're simulating graphically, bloodily killing someone like in video games.
If you think Mathammer doesn't work and dice cannot be predicted, there's a whole field of mathematics called probability that would like to disagree.
Promotes violence? Rubbish! It promotes creativity, strategic thinking, challenging yourself, arithmetic & probability, and generally having a good time.
One thing I will say, though, is that perhaps the children are a bit too young to enjoy the full wargaming experience? I'm not saying don't do it, but they might soon get bored of it, as young children seem to be inclined to. Of course some might love it, carry on for a long time and show up here a few years on. You never know.
Thou shalt remember:
Warhammer Fantasy armies do NOT have Codices. They have Army Books.
LINK - Guitarists of LO Group
You could also explain it is a controlled way of letting off steam, it certainly helps me calm down when you can still kill things, without the mess and people really dying. Another good point is that the hobby is a highly social activity, people I normally never talk to are suddenly taking an interest these days, even after they say how lame it is.
A great thing about the hobby is that it promotes and encourages higher attention spans, which is damn good as more and more kids these days are getting attention spans comparable to goldfish thanks to a strange old society of instantness we live in.
I strongly agree with Cartbarf; just because you see some movie with people needlessly shooting and beating eachother to obilivion, it doesn't make one into a crazy Khorne worshipping axe wielding maniac who shoves themselves full of needles and goes "Me wanna keeel yoou!" with an evil grin.
And get other teachers to support your idea of a gaming club too, having many people on your side is always gives an argument weight. Good luck! Bring the hobby goodness to school!
"Fight for justice, not revenge."
FoW Gepanzerte Panzergrenadiers who took a wrong turn at Tunisia and magically appeared in Normandy as Panzer Lehr: Wins: 11 Losses: 8
The guy who used to run the group I'm in was a maths teacher at a Catholic High School. He had similar problems but stuck to his guns and ran things for about five years before eventually moving on. We had a lot of good kids who were encouraged by him. Not all want to play sport but can socialize through wargaming far better than with computer games.
He had to draw the line with Slaanesh damonetttes though. He figured he was not going to win the battle if some high minded parent saw their little boy playing with bare breasted female?? figures.
Good luck though I think primary aged kids may still be a bit young.
Younger kids are usually more interested in models that look cool rather than the actual tactical and gaming aspect of the game. That being said, even little kids can't say no to commanding an army of futuristic warriors.
As to the violence issue. Its true that models to, in essence, die. But this is rather irrelevant when compared to the majority of computer games, tv shows, movies etc that said children are guarenteed to be watching.
In fact, such a time consuming hobby can only serve to limit the time spent engaged in other, more violent activities......
I''m grasping at straws here but its worth a try,
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares, your a mile away and you have his shoes!!
Chuck Norris invented water
I hope I haven't missed the meeting.
Although this is somewhat aggresive arguing, consider the following:
How many children that play 40K bully and use violence against others in comparison with those who play on the football/rugby team?
The head teacher may deny it, but in reality everyone knows the answer to this. Which hobby is it then which sponsors violence?
I'd personally rather my child imagined violence and was creative than entered an environment where violence and persecution of others was encouraged and carried out.
Children have active imaginations. This is something which should be encouraged and nurtured prior to becoming dullen and cynical with the bitterness of life.
Last edited by Karmoon; May 2nd, 2007 at 13:35.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Please how can playing a game with toy soldiers make you more violent then you already are. Im sure he would have no problem if the kids read a book about warhammer 40k as books are great for learning right? Well they have some very vivid descriptions about combat like people getting shot in the gut and what follows afterwards.
Why not bad the chess club as it promotes winning and losing or any sporting club for the same reason. Just tell him its the same as playing chess only in place of the pawns you have pawns...er guardsmen.
"Hey sarge, this lasgun is heavy. I wish we had something lighter."
FF7: ABOUT RANDOM BATTLES
Explain it to him as a strategy game. Like checkers or chess, just more complex and some other schools do it, show him the game(if you havent already), like playing those axis and allies games you always see at walmart or some store, just more complex and enjoyable.
Ask him to allow the club for a few days and invite him yourself to observe the club when they play. I don't see how you could get violent with plastic men unless you are imature and throw a tank across the room because your Sgt didn't pass his last man standing test.