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I wasn't joking a post a while back that I was finished with GamesWorkShop and my last army with them was my Wood Elves. Right now I have began looking at PrivateerPress (Hordes and WarMachine) games and one of the obvious differences is the scale of the game between the two. On top of that the majority of the models are metal. SO, I look at the price between squad size and model equivalence. PrivateerPress, a smaller company is essentially producing equivalent models for less in a lot of cases, and where the prices aren't less, they are made from better material compared to GWs model (pewter or whatever), which one can assume cost a little more. So comparing Plastic Termies to a box of Metal Circle Orboros Tharn Ravagers, both the same value--the numbers-just-don't-stack-up! GWs is squeezing is customers. Plain and simple. I don't care about excuses, supply and demand, inventory lag, or anything of the like at this point, cause you'd think they had advantage of economy of scale (more you make, the lower prices gets, basic idea) but thats not whats happening here but a monopoly.
I'm just curious, this is a question towards people who pay for their own stuff, WHY do you continue to pay for something outrageous as GWs stuff? There are alternatives now, SUPPORT THEM. It may not be the same but the game system isn't bad, just different. Go to your local store and ask to play you might like it.
Its obvious with that GWs is cutting back that things are bad. The massive close down of stores, which I want to remind you they DIDN'T sell off their inventory at a reduced price!! This just goes to show their anal retentive behavior. The the slow move to vanilla-nize several armies, IG and their main sell (why they did that, who the freak knows...) Space Marine. They've bent us so many times its not ever funny... The modelers at Privateer and Escalation (to bad they don't have a English set up) are coming into their own. Time to move a way from the tyrannical company that is GamesWorkshop.
Comments and opinion please.
Sounds awesome... Where in the world does one buy PrivateerPress models? Online?
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That primarily focuses on GamesWorkShop though, and I am asking a different question altogether.
You buy them from online sellers cause unlike GW, you can buy and sell them with out be PENALIZED.
Okay, awesome. I buy from Battlewagon all the time... Where can I see pictures of assembled Warmachine models?
Edit: Nevermind, I found the website. But... I would want to use them to represent 40k models and looking at them, well, they don't seem to fit. They seem more like Steam Engine/Magika type things. Have you ever played the Sierra computer game Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura? Awesome game, the models remind me of that game. I want to play that game now.
Last edited by ZenGamer; May 2nd, 2007 at 21:55.
-Thread Killer Bryan
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T'au Empire, Bork'an Sept
pictures of built and painted warmachine and hordes models can be found here
generally the PP models will absolutely trounce their GW counterparts in my opinion but its important to remember. warmachine and hordes are skirmish style games, they don't reach the same scale as GW games in terms of model count. the average large game size tends to be 750 points as well (giving you as much play time as a 1.5k warhammer game)
on average a 750 point warmachine game will feature 1 warcaster, 3 warjacks and about 30 assorted infantry models. this is of course variable depending on your warcasters and faction.
i personally really recommend warmachine and hordes to anyone who fancies a change from GW. its got more in depth game play and a wonderful background. its only cons are its lack of plastic mini's and customisation compared to warhammer or 40k (which sadly is being tuned out with the new codex style)
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Warmachine / hordes are great games and are a fine pursuit for anyone intrested in model war games. But I have to disagree that sombody "must " choose only one game to play. Each company has there own flare and stlye why do we have to limit ourselfs to just one game ??
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Absolutely not, I didn't say that did I? I even mention the lasting GW army I am building is Wood Elves. I merely pointing out supporting GWs is insulting to our intelligences cause they take advantage. And supporting Privateer might wake up GWs and that the stock holders don't count the most. Worse thing that ever happen is probably going public.
As a new convert to PP I gotta say that their sculpts are MUCH better than GW's. Prices are cheaper across the board, and the models are all metal. Further, you can get a full sized army, with rules for under $300, roughly 1,500pts which equates to HUGE battles, in GW terms of games it would equal about 3,000pts.
Another nice thing is that the game is faster, and the rules are 1,000,000 times better/more clear. If you have a question or something is vague you can get OFFICIAL RULINGS within a day or so from PP online.
The models are beautiful and the flashing is much less than GW's. I will say that some of the larger models do require some GS work to fill in some of the gaps, but no more than GW's models.
I also love that they are ALL pewter, thus each and every model has a nice heft to it.
The units are great when it comes to fluff and the different units work well to balance one another out or stack into awesome combos.
Some people don't like the "caster" idea, that if you kill one model you can win a game. I counter that the casters aren't that easy to kill, and if you allow yourself to be set up for an assassination run, you probably deserve it. Faster games means more games, means replays to correct errors you made.
Plus the notion that you activate a unit at a time allows you to shoot then screen with another unit, or to set up combos.
All in all, an awesome game that has GW beat on many levels.
That said, I don't intend to get rid of my 32K worth of 40K (who knows, maybe build to 40k=), but I will be very slow in collecting any more GW stuff as pricing and rules support continues to go to POT.
16,000+ of Eldar (only need flyers)
7,000+ of Nids (want heirophant)
6,000+ of Space Marines (need rever titan)
4,400+ of Cygnar (all models for the faction)
1,500+ of Legion (just started)
I play Warmachine, but only as a mostly-Warjack force- infantry is just way too expensive. And what I don't like is that without wargear or equipment, you cannot personalize your army, and you have no real reason to convert.
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