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Well nothing lasts forever folks and that includes games workshop.
I'm just curious to see as to when and how you guys think 40k (and fantasy) is going to end? how many years in the future? what edition will we be in? what will the game be like? will it phase out slowly or is GW going to declare bankruptcy?
Whilst it would be cool to end everything with a rhana dandra (eldar apocalypse) campaign where everyone kills each other that's theoretically impossible. The popularity of going out in a grande finale would attract more people to the game and increase profits.
Or are we still going to be playing come the year 40,000?
I'm personally leaning towards GW doing something stupid again like LotR, going broke and not
going out of business. Then all us hobbyists sit around whinging about 'the good old days' when we got our models from the great Games Workshop and not the black market.
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Impossible to say, of course. But if GW doesn't last at least another 10 years, I'd be surprised. They've proven quite adept at building their fanbase up. Yes, they make mistakes -- sometimes real whoppers (insert favorite example here) -- but the truth of the matter is this:
(a) Their games are fun to play.
(b) Their models are (overall) fantastic. There is nothing finer than all the options presented in a plastic regiment box. :yes:
That is, they do a great job of appealing to different geek-gamer mindsets: modelers/painters, gamers, and people who like a bit of both.
I'm definitely a gamer who was kinda dragged kicking and screaming into the GW hobby, but only because my friends wanted a break from RPGs and turned to first Mordheim and then to 40K. I balked for years because of the expense and the time and the effort required ... but finally broke down and I'm surprised at how much I look forward to the modeling and painting. Now that's every bit as important to me as the games themselves.
Frankly, I'm surprised at how many "is GW dying?", "GW is losing money, OMG!" threads are appearing. LotR might be sucking money away, but the company is doing well. Profits might be going down slightly -- perhaps primarily because of LotR -- and a few underperforming GW stores will be closing, but the company is still profitable. "Decreasing profits" still means "PROFIT", so GW is fine for now, and they seem to be smart enough to know what to do about it and make sure the ship is pointed in the right direction. As much as I abhor how much the Space Marines grab all the attention (unfairly, I think), we cannot deny that they make the lion's share of money, and therefore it'd be stupid for GW not to continue catering to those players. Making sure the Marines players are happy while throwing bones to the rest of us is, for the moment, A Good Plan. Also, I trust them to do right by the "lesser" armies in 40K. And ever since 7th edition, WHFB is just freaking amazing. I'm eagerly putting together my Skaven force for the summer campaign. (Meh, kinda lame campaign, but a great excuse to finally pull my friends along into WHFB.)
Also, the fact that Privateer Press and others have upped the ante with good models and good games themselves -- largely competing for the same gamer dollar and playtime -- will actually help keep GW on their toes and doing their best work. I think GW will be around for many years yet to come.
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Even if G.W went broke ( which i doubt will or would happen )
their legacy would always continue, second hand models and books would
be on sale on ebay forever. But none of that matters if you are loyal to your hobby
it will never end. If i could not buy any more models, meh , i have three 40k armies
already which is more than enough. I will always be loyal to my hobby no matter
what happens to the company that produces the products.
Long Live GamesWorkshop.
Hm.. I have wondered about that quite some times. But like pointed out before, GW does still make a profit, albeit not that much as other times.
I doubt GW will be out of business for at least the next five years. The only thing I could see happen is price raises which are completly over the top. Less people (especially kids) will buy enough models to play decent armies thus they don't like the game enough. On the other side, GW is bringing out more and more plastic kits which are more appealing.
By saying less people will be buying models I would also consider price raises for GW to have a stable profit. Gw would probably want you to buy just as much models as you do now. But my paycheck isn't getting a GW priceraise either. I don't want to turn this thread into a new price raise flaming thread though, but to me this would be pretty much good reason why GW would and could make a lesser profit. Perhaps GW should from time to time slow down on new armies/models.
At the moment I do enjoy the GW range and I'm not that upset with prices as I think a lot of models are worth it (for the most part at least). A good reason why I enjoy it, is because it is pretty well known... or at least with stores and people I know. Privateer press does make some nice stuff but I have yet to meet the first person in my area playing it.
Hopefully GW doesn't get into another hype like the LoTR thing as I do hear nothing but "it was a mistake" from that.
Even if GW went bust, the warhammer and warhammer 40k would likely be bought by another company. It may not stay as a tabletop wargame (DoW has shown that you can make a very good game out of the IP), but strong brands with themes that appeal to a lot of people are hard to come by these days.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
I think that as Rork said, even if they went out of business, it would continue. I'm sure people who run other wargames have seen how lucrative 40k and FB are and would love the opportunity to start making those models.
That being said, unless they do something really idiotic, I think GW will be in business for a longtime.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
As long as a license is capable of generating revenue, there will always be the GW games. If nothing else, a larger company would come along and buy them when they go backrupt.
TSR was subsumed by Hasbro, and therefore we still have Dungeons and Dragons. Similarly, GW has sufficiently robust IP to at least buy them for their video game potential and the Black Library. If a company like Hasbro decides they can run GW's business at sufficient margins, then they would do a stock for stock buyout.
As for the hobby aspect, the main problem will be if the successor company decides that the models are no longer worth making for their margins. Lack of new supply would mean that stores would cease to support them. Flames or War and similar games would get table priority, effectively killing the hobby outside small groups of friends. Why support a game that makes a store no money?
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I don't see them going out for a while. They've still got some real aces up there sleeves to drum up interest.
The biggest being movies. They can do campaigns that end up causing some epic scale changes. They could even bring the Squats back.
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the only way GW would go bankrupt is if they make another LoTR game... but if they make a star wars game (like 40K without bullets, nids and warp) with all the characters and some create your own Jedi/Sith then GW would be rich!
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