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I have been a member of LO for a few years now and I usually post on the Tau thread, however I do peruse the other army sections and hobby sections a lot.
Something occurred to me, the sheer amount of knowledge that is contained in this site is quite breathtaking.
Now I am considered somewhat of an expert on Tau and I do not think I am the most knowledgeable on the Tau forum by a long way, there are plenty of others, Onlainari, Aussie dave, Israfel etc etc.
The same thing applies to the other army forums, each one seems to have people with huge amounts of knowledge about armies, this also applies to the rules sections, modeling etc etc.
So I was thinking, surely Games Workshop must be aware of this forum (and others like it) so why do they not use this knowledge base, think about it when was the last time you saw a truly inspiring, well thought out tactica for instance in White Dwarf, or a decent battle report, yet well crafted, knowledgeable inspiring tacticas, articles, battle reports, guides abound on this forum, and most of them make the stuff in WD pail in comparison.
It pains me sometimes when I see the supposed experts that GW use in WD creating truly appalling army lists and fighting ridiculous battles, I know GW have to showcase armies but I think it would be so much better if they used experts who actually know their stuff I/E us.
Do you think that we are a wasted resource and what would you do if GW actually contacted LO and asked for some contributions.
It would never happen, GW are too fond of THEMSELVES and no-one else. They would probably charge LO too. They dont like advertising anything.
Sorry about sounding so anti-GW, I'm not, I just believe that's the way it is.
AGLOCO - Earn money by browsing the internet!Originally Posted by Krevzi and Me
Yea I tend to agree. What is the point of all the crappy lists that WD has?
"They say the Darkness consumes you. They don't say what happens after It's done."
GW welcome submissions to White Dwarf. Write something up and send it in. Maybe they'll print it.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
As Rork said GW actually welcomely accept submissions. A perfect example of a normal gamer that got into both USA and UK White Dwarf was Kenshin138 from deahtguard.org where he submitted a 4 page or so Death Guard Tactica and iirc a lot of Deaht Guard players and others loved his views of them and either people went with his advice or atually started Death Guard because it was such a good tactica. I know for sure at bolterandchainsword forums that GW has taken many ideas that people posted there in the past. I don't remember what but it invloved about the rules.
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Interesting topic but heres the thing regarding tactics that I disagree upon with you:
Most of the tactics on these forums are highly effective and some even equate to a competitive/powergaming mentality.
This is something GW would never want to promote on their website or in white dwarf, because of the massive reach these mediums have. How many people would start a cheesy lysander wing army if they got the idea from white dwarf? And how many of the people's opponents would have their fun ruined by losing all the time? What would happen to the fun of making up one's own strategies and seeing their effectiveness on the battlefield?
I don't think GW would ever condone promoting these types of tactics, nor would I want them to. I think they would rather allow players to think creatively and discover tactics/strategies for themselves. At the very least GW helps players along with very basic strategies, and players themselves build on them which is part of the fun of playing warhammer 40k.
One also has to realize that activily seeking out submissions (beyond the 'We welcome submissions' idea) and content from independent sources is a legal quagmire. There's the whole concept of Intellectual Property that not only works in GW's favor when it comes to posting stuff from their books, but, in the favor of people who create their own lore, troop choices, and painting/modeling/converting techinques.
Sure, you might not object to GW using your stuff, but, someone might. I'm not saying they'd use someone's stuff without permission (as that's the whole point of my post), but, it's just a big sticking spot that easily avoided by only using things which are freely submitted to them.
"This has nothing to do with rules and regulations, and everything to do with wrong and right."- Ray Liotta, NARC
Also what do you think WD do in their own articles, they advise, just as most n these forums do, only difference is most of the time our advice is actually worthwhile.
I am not saying all WD advice etc is bad, but I firmly believe we do better and I cannot understand why WD do not use this resource more (the people who create the stuff not the stuff on LO itself).
I am not talking about seeking submissions I am talking about asking a member of this forum to provide columns, pieces etc on a proper business like arrangement totally independent of LO.
Epic933, if I read you right your talking about using stuff thats been published on LO and thats not what I am talking about, I am talking about employing (if you will) the person with the knowledge to create articles (new articles) on say Tau. I did not know about the Death guard article and I think its good it happened, I just wonder why it does not happen more.
I would love the chance to write some decent articles about WD and I a going to write to Jervis Johnson and ask him to look at my stuff and others on LO and maybe he will see what a great resource he is missing.
In all fairness, i've ye to come across a hobby where the company that made whatever hobby actually gave good advice/setups/lists etc. Used to play MTG, the lists in scrye and other magazines usually sucked, esp the ones published by wizards, at an even younger age i played pokemon cards and tamiya min 4wd racers, again, magazine info on setups or deck lists blow.
Japanese magazines however always seemed to have the most progressive, inovative and advanced and generally better lists/setups/strategy/info etc for all of the ones i mentioned. haven't bothered looking or a such an equivalent for GWs stuff though, i assumed it wasn' big enough in Japan for there to be a worthwhile venue (correct me if i'm wrong though). The downside though is that if you venture into anything geeky/dorky in Japanese/Japan, you're going to get caught in the crossfire of anime/manga etc. You'll have to wade through that crap (unless you're also into that kinda thing, in which case everything works out great for you!) and pick at what you're actually looking for.