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I decided I wanted to try to write up a shooting heavy list using archers as the main force of shooting, and see if they do have some potential. So here is the list.
Noble, lance, heavy armour, reaver bow, enchanted shield, eagle
Noble, bsb, great weapon, heavy armour (goes in seaguard)
Mage, level 1, scroll
20 seaguard, full command, shields (7*3)
15 white lions, musician, champ
5 dragon princes, champ
6 shadow warriors
2 bolt throwers
So the eagles go ahead to march block and take on warmachines etc, noble on eagle adds good supporting fire. White lions head through trees for protection from long range things and to get to the opponents flank easier, they are the main heavy hitters. Dragon princes act as either hard hitters for weakened opponent units or support for full units. Chariot does usual supporting role. The army is fairly defensive, sitting back and shooting while the opponent moves forward then springing. But if need be, with the WL and DP, it can be used as an offensive list if being outshot, HE archers have high BS so can move and shoot and still do an ok job.
Its pumping out 58 bow/longbow shots per turn, plus 12 shots from the bolt throwers and 3 from the reaver bow. Not a bad amount of shooting. Most things would aim at the same unit, hopefully causing a panic test every turn and every turn making a unit weak enough for my combat units to easily deal with. Shadow warriors and noble may pick different targets to get rid of ranks rather than focusing on panic, or get rid of lone mages or artillery.
Main problem I see is pretty weak magic defense, I couldn't really afford strong magic defence and have the points for a lot of shooting and combat support when needed. But the bulk of the shooting can target mage units first and probably get rid of them turn one or two if they have really strong magic.
That's a lot of archers.
I've not really played like this with HE before so it would be interesting to see how it pans out. My only concern would be that deploying lots of units 10 models wide would stretch your army out a bit, but I'm sure an experienced player such as yourself can overcome this. Presumably you'd hope for a hill in your deployment zone so you can deploy some of the archers in 2 ranks of 5 as well as the bolt throwers for line of sight to as many enemy units as possible.
As for weak magic defence, it seems to me that while the new HE rules makea lot of the units better, this causes the army to specialise a lot more ie you can't have everything. one phase of the game will always be weakened to the detriment of another I find. The only way to know for sure is to test it out, if it struggles against magic try another scroll or drop the sea guard's noble for another mage.
I'd also be a lot happier if LSG had longbows instead of normal bows. Fluff-wise, I can't think of any reason why they shouldn't; but I guess maybe that would make them too good. Even so, this amount of firepower should be able to cause serious damage to most armies. Good luck with it, and happy new year!
I realy like defensive HE army lists, i just can't get one to work effectively. This list looks realy good however. My only suggestions would be to change the white lions to two units of 7 each with a champion, there fairly resistant to shooting and it gives you two flanking units plus 2 x 8 S6 attacks. The second rank does'nt realy contribute to their effectivenes if your using them as flankers, it also gives your oponent one more unit to wory about. And I would drop the champion in the DP's his one extra attack does'nt realy justify his points cost. a standard is cheaper and gives a garanteed +1 to CR and or a musician gives a better chance of rallying if they break. A realy good defensive list.
What aenar said.
In addition, I'd drop the chariot to pump your mage to level 2, give him another dispel scroll. I'm not a big fan of HE chariots on their own. They are not as effective as everyone thinks. And really, with the juicy choices available elsewhere in the army book, they should only be taken I think once you reach the 2500 point arena.
You need more magic defence. Bottom line is even medium magic is going to tear through those archers.
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You could add Radiant gem of Hoeth to seagaurd noble and another scroll for extra defense. Also gives you 2 attempts at drain magic, you may get luck with one of them and help stop their magic.
I just wrote a similar list with SM instead of WL less archers but an extra bolt thrower and a different character make up. I don't think that it is as flexible as yours thoughit doesn't have the Dragon Princes and has 2 smaller units of SM.
yeah, I would definately drop 1 unit of archers, just so you can fit your guys on the table, also, a bsb would help tons in this list, because your archers are going to be in combat asap and will get dropped quickly without support. Either that, you need to bolster the magic dept. so you can get the stubborn spell off more often. I think your magic needs to be a lot bigger, otherwise, you could get rolled by a magic heavy army.
I'm suprised I haven't seen this yet, and maybe someone will try this after reading this post, but where are all the shadow warrior armies? I would think with the ability to scout and shoot 360, that people would be trying shadow heavy lists out. Instead of units of archers, have 1 big unit of shadow warriors in deployment (16 or so) 2x mages, noble with reaver bow and shadow armor, prince with seafarer bow with seaguard, a couple of whitelion units and have 2 more big units of shadow warriors scout. if you have any points left over, get some reavers, eagles and rbts. I think that kind of shooty list if played well, would be tougher than the archer list. You wouldn't be able to get it all in the list, but you get the idea.