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I'm thinking about pulling my High Elves out of storage (and actually remaking several of the models in the process)
I've made a list that is very little like anything I've played before (lots of new models and different choices) I would like it to be competative and decent against anyone pretty much
Let me know what you think
17x White Lions, Gem of Courage, Banner of Sorcery FC
17x White Lions champ, Lion Standard
2x units of 10 Archers
1x Lion Chariot
2x Tiranoc Chariots
(I've seen this combo be pretty effective against most armies and would like to try it)
BSB Great Wpn, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
lvl2 Mage Annulian Crystal
lvl4 Mage Ring of Fury, Ring of Corin, Power Stone, Scroll
lvl2 Mage Ring of Corin & Scroll
lvl4 Ring of Fury Power Stone, Scroll, Silver Wand
I have 126-136pts left to play with. I was wondering if I should shave a scroll/power stone and get a cheap noble
Barded Horse, dragon armor, lance, shield, Reaver bow
Barded Horse, dragon armor, lance, shield, Radiant Gem of Hoeth
5 dragon princes naked or something else.
I guess I could also drop 1 tiranoc chariot and upgrade the other to a lion chariot, but I like having the 2 tiranocs in tandem along a flank
What do you guys think?
Seems as if you are going for a lion themed army. I want to point out one little interesting item. Korhil a hero can go into a lion chariot. I just had to put him in one. I run two chariots together and really want to add a third, but I do not know what I would have to give up to get it. Please keep us informed about how you are proceeding.
It is extremely hard to give good feedback when we do not know your plan. Feel free to pm me with any questions that you might have.
hmmm, my plan is to Win!
I don't like using named characters, haven't ever done it and probably won't ever use them. I do like korhil's model though.
As far as the plan
I'm trying to get enough magic and shooting to handle the enemies' shooting and magic and then hopefully be able to go toe -to- toe with the enemy in the combat phase. I think lion chariots are all right when used in conjunction with another unit, but they are too expensive to run 3 of them. I have a hard enough time fitting 3 elite units in any list of mine and keeping enough magic to defend myself and enough offense to justify that many points. That's part of the reason I quit playing High Elves so many months ago. The structure and point-costs (and the book for that matter) were so lame. But I'm trying a completely different outlook on my list with different models (never used more than 6-7 White Lions in a list before and never used chariots before)
My main question is, should I use the Reaver Bow to aid my shooting and perhaps charge out and chase light units down, or shout I take another mage and try to ward my units or spam the drain magic spell?
I could also (with some maneuvering of points) get a small unit of dragon princes for flanking.
I have only used the reaver bow on a noble with shadow warriors. It worked okay but I was not greatly impressed. Here is an idea that I have thought of, putting him in with an RBT crew. I have not tried it nor have I read an forum item on that one. Maybe I should start another new thread.
My problem with the bow is that it is being placed on a hero that does better in close combat. I guess you could beat your opponent on the head with but I am getting sidetracked. Our HE hero need protection and the bow removes that possiblity.
I like running the two chariots together. It nearly makes it possible to go in head first to a not so armoured infantry unit. Providing help is on the way. I may have to look at running the horsy chariots. No the lion ones are just to go. But if I had 85 points.
I think that I would add an eagle and 5 Ellyrion Reavers, this will give you 3 good march blockers and something to distract enemy warmachines and shooting if necessary.
I think that comes to 135pts in total, but you probably want a musician on the reavers.
Good luck, welcome back and I hope this army doesn't disappoint you.
Well, the Reaver bow in my opinion, is easily the best magic weapon in our book. On a noble, you usually have to hit on 2's (which is good for me) and then the str 5 gives you a chance to hurt bigger, badder targets. There is no reason to put him in a RBT crew, he does fine in a unit of spearmen or what have you.
My problem is that the white lions put out good, high strength attacks (the champion himself puts out only 1 less attack and costs 66pts less naked than a noble. He could also take the armor of caledor and be fairly tough in combat for cheap, what I'm looking for in a noble, if I take one, is something that the normal troops can't do like shoot reliable str5 shots or move faster on their own.) This line gets blurry for me. I think the bsb serves a purpose, which is why I take him, but really with the price of troops and characters being ridiculously high, I'm never comfortable taking HE characters, they are so frail and expensive that if I could, I'd probably take no characters and just more troops. unfortunately the magic and psychology in the game precludes me from doing so.
I have some reavers and love them, but have never had success with them mainly because of their cost. With bows, they are more expensive than they should be and I have a hard time justifying their expense at the cost of other troops. HE never seem to have enough guys on the board and it becomes very easy to get swamped/swarmed and lose half your army with one bad roll. There are no expendable units, and if you can't roll 3's to hit (which is unnaturally hard for me) then you often lose combat.
Would you consider giving the Reaver Bow to the BSB and putting him on the horse. He would not have a ward save but you could give him a 1+ save with Enchanted Shield. It does slow down one of your combat blocks as they can only go 8" with him in there and have him shoot. THen take Dragon Princes.
I agree entirely about the bodies on the table for High Elves, we pay too much for our heroes and they don't bring that much more to the table than our champions, I don't think that **pts is too much for our Reavers though although giving them bows costs a bit.
What about 5 or 6 Silver helms?
I know the reasons DP are better, just wondered if you considered it.
I have reavers and I have dragon princes. I got rid of most of my silver helms and would have to make some more, paint them, etc.
I could definately try the reaver bow on the bsb mounted
I've also thought about adding a 3rd bolt thrower, but that seems like it would be really hit or miss against decent scouting/tunnelling units of which my group has plenty (skaven and TK come to mind)
I've also thought about dropping the bsb and noble and getting a 3rd wizard, giving my champion the armor of caledor, just to shake the boat a little. The bsb seemed to really have a place in the army though (stubborn, immune to fear and terror unit at least) as long as he doesn't die too quickly. In my limited experience with White Lions, I found that if I could hit the enemy, I usually did alright in combat (1 unit of 7 took out a fully ranked unit of longbeards once) but if I didn't hit (about 50% of the time) I was usually running and losing. This will be the first time using them in blocks though, which might help them stay a bit.
Thanks for your suggestions and conversation Allonaire.
I would definitely keep in the BSB if you can as well, 2 stubborn units with rerolls gives us the best centre that we can get against almost every opponent, (Dark Elves and Fear causers aside).
Im my limited experience, i started using 3 bolt throwers, they are very scary to the enemy, and if used with "curse of arrow attraction" to smash a unit but i loled yesterday when a unit of 12 miners appeared right behind them and sat there for a turn and i was able to kill 7 of them from the shooting and that was without rerolls.
And wanted to know are units of 7 white lion survive to the other side of the board and didnt get shot up or were they worried about other units to care about the WL??
Love that they have stubborn and a 3+ vs Shooting
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