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Right, trying to get back into regular Warhammer, my friend and I are sitting down to 3000pts this week. I can expect lots of stunty bearded men, but have a burning desire to use my dragon for the first time, so:-
Prince on Dragon
Armour of Caledor
V of D
Noble on barded mount
amulet of protection
Noble (BS on foot
20 Spears, FC
10 LSG, FC
20 PG, War Banner, FC
11 WL, FC
5 ER, bows
5 ER, bows
5 DPs, FC, Elyrrion banner
3000 on the nose
The question is over the BSB - is he better placed with the PG or the DPs? If so, drop a white lion and put him on steed w/barding I suppose, and give him a spear? Any thoughts?
I don't know how use of multiple banners works (i.e. can you stack war with battle, and BSB with a normal SB?)
Some critique - you probably don't need full command on your 10 LSG - I would probably opt for just a musician (and one on your archers) so you can reform for fghting once you have closed with the enemy.
With the White Lions, the standard isn't going to make much difference - they are a smallish unit anyway, and so I would drop the standard from this unit.
The Ellyrion Reavers probably should have spears only, the missile weapons aren't going to do much, if any, damage, and are not a great investment of points - 4s to hit, 5s to wound already means only 1/3 wounding hits, and then you have Dwarven armour to get through...
Final thoughts - Eagles aren't going to cause much damage - Dwarves can ignore march blockers, and of limited value vs the Dwarven Artillery - the Reavers can help you here better. And Bolt Throwers will lose out to Dwarven artillery so I would be wary of purchasing another one. Maybe with the spare points you can again increase the number of HE elites? ANd maybe purcahse a few more of the tastier items? Cloak of Beards is one wich comes to mind, and maybe the Drgaon Horn. I would also get gem of courage on one of your elite unit champions.
I would drop one either of the Noble on steed, Korhil or Caradryan (though these two are pretty effective) just becasue you don;t have enough bodies. Of the whole lot, Korhil is the least likely to fit the army well, he doesn't have the ward save of Caradryan nor does he have the save and mobility of teh Star Lance noble.
Use the points to bulf up teh Dragon Princes to 6 and add another Elites unit if you can.
Now we begin to encounter the problems with my shortage of models
I do have 20 swordmasters and another block of 20 spears to use - so I will do as suggested in re: removing some of the unnecessary command units.
Korhil was in there to bolster the relatively small WL unit (I only have the 10 models + old korhil who passes as an 11th, plus new Korhil who plays himself in this epic). They were largely there to flank charge in support of the PG (who were going to have the BSB with them - unless the BSB is of more value with the DPs on a horse).
I take your point on the Reavers - it's my first foray into actually using them at all. Will remove the bows. Given the number of special slots we get - there was the additional question over whether they were better in a 10 or 2x 5 man units when it comes to taking shooting.
For additional specials, I have 15 or so shadow warriors or up to 20 swordmasters to put out. I'll revisit the numbers and see what I can do... cloak of beards would be very nice in there somewhere. A runelord seems likely, would be nice to mess up his day.
Dropping the LSG and moving to a second block of archers + musician saves a few points;
Similarly, dropping the WL standard bearer and the bows from the reavers has some value; the two eagles I've traded for 1 extra RBT.
Dropping Korhil, for a meager 1 point more it's possible to take a Noble, Cloak of Beards, Heavy armour, shield, Sword of Might - but is he better? The only place I can think to put him is with the WLs anyway.
I guess the alternative is to swap the WLs for swordmasters wholesale - but I worry about the dwarf warmachine shooting.
A gem of courage can go in either to the PG or WL champ, or to the dragonlord (he has 20 spare on items as it is)
That leaves 56 or so points. What is there to take with that? 2 more WLs/SMs? Or back to an eagle again, just to give the organ gun a distracting target... alternatively give the dragonhorn to one of the unit champs, and throw the gem to the Prince.
Last edited by Alexb83; April 27th, 2009 at 14:42.
On your Cloak of Beards Noble, mount him in on a steed, give him a lance, Dragon Armour, Guardian Phoenix and Cloak of Beards. He can go War machine hunting effectively when moving with the Reavers, and causing fear, he can swing a fight, especially if he outnumbers the crew.
I would use any spare points to beef up teh spears if you can - Maybe use the Shadow Warrior models as proxies for the spears? The Spearmen with a Battle Stadnard Bearer is a good combo for hitting second-line Dwarven units (clansmen for example) as they will have a reasonable kill zone and the ability to add D6 is great in a unit with decent SCR...
Strikes me his main value with the cloak is not the fear causing (he'll never outnumber) - but the nullifying of runes in a flank charging unit (if I can engage the inevitable iron breakers with the PG and then flank charge with the WLs, say...)
I've revised to:
20 Spears, FC
2 lots of 10 Archers, Musicians only
20 PG, FC, War banner,
BSB, GW, Heavy armour, Battle Banner
5 DPs, FC, Elyrrion banner
Noble on barded steed, star lance, 6+ WS, dragon armour, shield
2 lots of 5 reavers, spears only (or as one lot of 10 - not too sure on that one).
12 White lions, full command, dragonhorn
Noble with cloak of beards, sword of might, dragon armour, shield
Armour of C
Vs of D
Gem of courage
Still 3000 on the nose.
Looks better - more bodies on the field!
TBH your whole battle hinges on how effective your Dragon can be. I would say that the Dragon should roll into any units without Great Weapons, aiming for flanks and breaking through Terror and winning combats...
Yeah - that's the thing, isn't it? Against dwarves, it was either going to be Teclis and mages, or a solid combat army.
But after forking out all the cash for the dragon/prince, I would have nasty things done to me with a fish fork before letting it go without having at least one game on the table!
It will be a learning experience trying to get him past those war machines... here's hoping for good terrain. I would hate for an Organ gun to blat him out of the sky on turn one.
Aye - just make sure that you roll for random terrain and that there is a fair amount - what I wouldn't give for being able to fly high again!