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Im new to this forum and just started playing WFB again after nearly 8 years of absence from the game. I cant wait to get started. I have bought a shitload of figures and have started some intence painting sesions.
But I havent playtested my army nearly enough to be ready to go and play some tourneys. So I was wondering if some of you could give me some feedback on my current list.
Archmage (White Lion) 350 pts
- Lvl 4
- Ring of Fury
- Dispell Scroll x 2
Noble Battle standard (White Lion) 166 pts
- Dragon Armour
- White Sword
- Talisman of Loec
Mage (Spearmen) 170 pts
- Lvl 2
- Dispel Scroll
Noble (Silver Helms) 150 pts
- Lance, Heavy Armour, Shield
- Barded Elven Steed
- Gem of Courage
- Helm of Fortune
10 x Archers XXX pts
19 x Spearmen (incl. Champ, Standard) 191 pts
White Lions (FC) 425 pts
- Banner of Sorcery
1 x Lion Chariot XXX pts
9 x Silver helms with shields (FC) 247 pts
2 x Great Eagles XXX pts
2 x Repeater Bolt Throwers XXX pts
My thinking behind the army is to keep a strong core (positioned a little bit off center) with White Lions and Spearmen guarding Mages, Archers, and RBTs (on hill). This part of the battle line will more or less hold there positions while shooting and casting spells on aproaching enemies. The Silverhelms and Chariot will be positioned together to be able to hold the other flank/Center. They will also hold as long as possible before charging together. Eagles to take out warmachine crew and be overall annoying.
Heavy magic phase with lots of offence.
Things I consider is.
- Swithing White Sword and Talisman of Loec against Armour of Caledore and Guardian Phoenix.
- Do I need 3 dispell scolls?
One last thing, I like my Silverhelms, so dont try to swtich them for some fancy pants Dragon Princes
What do you guys think, could it work?
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Last edited by gingerninja; August 18th, 2009 at 10:14. Reason: Points
This actually leads me to a question about High Elves in general. I just started them, like yesterday lol, so forgive me if this is a silly question. I've seen quite a few lists and have wondered why everyone takes great eagles. Would it be easier to have a Repeater that can lob 6 shots (or is it 4?) at 36 inches? Granted they might not hit, but they stand a greater chance of wounding the crew OR the machine itself. Or even archers, with a solid 36" range they can easily lob enough shots into the crews. I understand the logic behind taking them, but for their one use, low T, and no armor save, I would think a Repeater would be far more valuable.
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So thats my reasoning behind the eagles, but I agree that for just taking out crew, you might be better of with a third RBT.
I'd suggest the Guardian Phoenix - Armour of Caledor - Great Weapon build for the footed noble. More durable and hitting heavier in CC
The first time you fly a great eagle into a stack of infantry and assassinate an L2 mage they are hiding you will never regret having the eagle again
Also, 9 Silver Helms with FC are far less effective than 8 Dragon Princes with no command, and the Princes will save you a few points.
The main reason I dont wanna play with Dragon Princes is because everyone does it. Come on guys, the Silverhelms need some love to
Also I found a great tactical argument for the SH so I think Im sticking with them.
What do we do with our Silver Helms?
I have decided to follow LoreSeekers advice and go with the Armour of Calador and the Guardian Phoenix for my noble.
Any other comments on my list?
In that SH vs DP link you listed, there's a major problem. It doesn't address Dragon Armour.
When you get accustomed to this edition you'll see that the major counter to Heavy Cavalry is Lore of Metal (use it yourself, Seerstaff ftw!) s.
On top of that, since regeneration has become so strong/common you'll often encounter people with flaming stuff on war machines and Lords.
What makes DPs so good is their immunity to the "cheesy" counters of heavy cavalry.
6 DPs+ char beats ranked SH+ char in cost, longevity and efficiency.
On the list:
It's pretty rough. If you playtest it abit you'll realise that your strong core isn't so strong at all and you're better off getting another unit of Archers instead of the spear, replacing it with an elite unit to support.
Your games will be decided by your White Lions unit. You either need to spread your eggs by reducing them, characters and banners in the army or buff it up to really make it a killer unit that can eat up armies but... you can't.
Basically, you have good support in magic, movement (eagles) and shooting. However the rest is... well, just imagine yourself being the opponent and how you'll score lots of points against that army.
300 "free" points in the spears. 797!pts in the WL. 497 pts in the SH. 450 pts in the Archmage.
I think you'll have problems winning unless you massacre. If you have a pretty even game and do well enough to beat your opponent what you've lost is so much it'll end up a draw.
I play with a similar army but it's more focused on points denial.
Same Archmage, Mage setup with 2 RBT, 2 GE and then 15PG with Banner of Sorcery. A mounted hammer unit with hero. But then the rest is a bunch of chariots, small units of 7 Swordmasters and/or 5 naked DPs.
My suggestion is either you shift focus towards my many small units with support or go the other direction by reducing the support and bulk up on another (mounted) power unit.
Last edited by Quivering; August 16th, 2009 at 04:32.
i'd consider using pg instead of wl. not only for the 4+ ward save but for the fact that they cause (and therefore are immune) to fear.
Thanks for lots of valuable input.
So basicly you play one big unit of Dragonprinces as hammer and In that unit is were the big amount of points is placed? Besides that one there is just smaller units that dosnet give away lots of points should they die?