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A good friend of mine and myself have planned a battle for wednesday. He'll be fielding his WoC. Basically an army of metal. Which we all love to face in 8th.
Having tested our current 2k lists prior we found weaknesses for both our forces, as you do (have to), when you're competitive and also perfectionists.
I won't digress into his lists flaws as they're not mine to explain. I'll explain my choices with my list.
As for the army I am facing, it'll look something like this:
(Judged soley fom the last game we tested. I advised he should lose a cannon as together they're 420 and fetching that many pts back with them may be hard. But he enjoys them. And each to their own, we'll see. Anyway)
o Lv 4 Sorcerer
Loremaster (is this an item?, totally unfamilir with names of WoC wargear names etc.)
o Lv 2 Caster
o Exalted Hero in one unit of warriors.
o 3 x 20 Warriors of Chaos
o 3 Dragon Ogres
o 2 Hellcannons
He did have a 2nd lv2 but he's removed that as we discussed it recently. He considered another ogre. But regardless. He's evading Knights as he enjoys a wide army. (Some strange reason he's not opted for BSB on Exalted, he enjoys using his poxy magic weapon so huzzar for me.)
That list is purely a sketch view.
Anyway; my list at it's current state:
(Now; I'm a thumping good player, I know I can hold my own. But everyone can learn something new and futhermore, overlook or miss something, a community of other gamers whereby I can gather advice is simply too good an oppurtunity. Acclaim, critique. Just keep it clean. Thanks.)
o Lv4 Archmage.
(Would be Metal if I wanted flavour but seeing as I want to win. Life. 2+ To ignore double 6's is a lot better than paying 115 extra pts, sorry Teclis.
Bible of Hoeth
o Lv1 Mage.
Seerstaff of Saphery (going with the usual win.combo)
o Noble BSB
GW, DA, Talisman of Persavation
o 2 x 23 Spearmen
(Mages bunked on 2nd rank either unit.
Tried LSG horde prior in test game. Irresistable Forced 'Infernal Gateway', futhermore, the Jew, excuse my language; rolled an 11 for strength. Sending the entire 40 man mob, including both my casters into the realm of chaos with no saves allowed instantly. Never again I say. Plus I enjoy being flexible. 6x4 works for me.)
One unit with Lion Standard
~507 (266, 241)
o 18 White Lions
Banner of Sorcery
(9x2. They all get their attack seeing as my fiend files his Chaos up 5x4. Not to mention the WLs will be lined up against the oh so big Orges. Intention is to cleave them stright. Banner of Slaver are just none negotionable.)
o 17 Swordmasters
Banner of Arcane Protection
(Noble in here. Will place central seeing as no doubt warriors will be presented there. 9x2 once more, this unit's generally aimed at killy killy towards the warriors. He adores 3+ shield/sword, parrywhore. Anyway, reducing him down with more attacks, being faster is the idea.)
o Lion Chariot
(I enjoy it. I tried 5 DPs with musician....not for this matchup.)
Total - 2,003
My specials are utter killy.
They gain their points back not to ention to lack of general shooting reduces the death toll on my men. They will earn their points back and just add pressure to my oppinent with the openings they create.
Only issue is my Archmage, his bible is great, but chaos magic has a spell that takes any double (O lawdy no) and turns it into a miscast. So I have a battle on my hands with my dispelling I feel, that bring said 2+ to ignore miscasts with Life is pretty sound.
When giving feedback, good or bad, consider -
o Some things are opinion based, for myself and you dear reader/poster.
o Reasoning behind opinions and suggestions are better than orders.
o Consider the matchup.
Thankyou for reading and for your time.
Last edited by Uber Pro; November 28th, 2010 at 18:53.
You're the first one to suggest an army that similar to my own
With that in mind, I naturally like the list - only a few minor things about the lvl 1 - you can't have two arcane items on him, also, you can't place characters in the second rank, unless the first is full (one thing enjoyable about hordes, with the mages on the far corners, most enemies will be able to attack one of them at worst, if at all). The lore on the lvl one is pretty much up to personal taste, but the combination of Shadows and Life turns Dwellers from a good spell to an outright WMD.
People will probably scorn you for the kitty card, but if it works for you, it works. Same goes for 9x2 - I personally find 7x2 more wieldy, but that's taste.
The Silver Knights of Tor Adrac (He): 26/2/4
The Spears of Slaanesh (Woc): 7/2/5
Battlegroup Chalybso (GK): 7/3/3
Well sir. Great minds think alike. Private testing and trial and error works wonders as I'm sure you know.
As for silver wand, NOW I recall WHY I didn't do that before haha, rather embarressing that brainfart of mine is actually. Also ignore me on second rank, brainfart from early days in 8th. I usually throw my mage on the left corner. I don't know why the left corner actually; as I am right handed. Anyway. Shows anyone can forget the simplest things, thankyou for noticing before that mistake hit the tabletop. I totally overlooked that.
As for Lion. It beats DPs in this matchup. Because. It does. That's all. DPs get the 2++ versus hellcannon. But the chariot packs so much more punch. Even though it's no where near as manourverable. The DPs I tested had no justice after the charge, T3 at 30 pts in static combat R2 onwards is heartbreaking. :/
(2,5oo I'd add 2x5 DPs with musician, or along those lines personally.)
As for Dwellers + Life. I admit it works wonders and is my usual combination for all matchups. Watching your opponent praying for rolls of 1 to save their models is wonderfully funny, as well as rare.
On the day I think I'll futher consider the Metal abuse risk. Im just being flavoursum here; but really I personally think I'll wimp out and go with the Lifecheese/autorape combo as per usual. We'll see.
9x2 just means, against his unit width, 5x4 bigger bases. All of the unit will hit. And they will do lots of hurt-ism.
7x2 is also my usual, but this was simply too good to pass up. 60 odd pts spare screamed for it, versus Chaos I refused stubbornly to have a rando-eagle.
Changes I will do but am too lazy to type currently. Are gut feeling -1 crystal, +1 seerstaff, +1 Champion to SMs. Just an extra hit. 2,oo3.
Hellcannon's a flaming attack. From what my friend told me.
That being said, if he made a mistake or such, he was only helping me anyway, so I doubt he'd instantly nerf his own war machine.
That being said I'm not using Dragon Princes with this list anyway. T3 sadface.