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As promised I am posting the list that I am thinking of taking to a tournament.
There is a comp score section, No special Characters (inc named champions).
Banned items Book of Hoeth and Power Scroll
Lords: 315 pts
Archmage L4 (Shadow Magic)
Foliariths Robes, Silver Wand
Armour of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
Star Lance, Potion of Foolhardiness, (Enchanted Shield/ shield)
Banner of Eternal Flame
Banner of Swiftness
18 White Lions
Standard of Discipline
A big focus on combat, supported by magic. I could drop the great eagle and 2 WLs and their banner to get in a single Bolt Thrower, which could be a good addition. I do like the hunting that an eagle enables, and it can work in tandem with the Noble well.
I have forgotten what the rules are regarding the cost of items in Rulebook and in army book. If I can afford the enchanted shield on the Eagle Noble then I will take it but it costs too much in the elf book.
I welcome any suggestions I have to have the list submitted soon so only reasonably quick advice will get in.
Thanks for your help
Not sure if nobody saw it or if the list is perfect.
I am thinking about going in a different direction with the list though, my experiences with relying on Magic have been very disappointing in 8th ed. so I am considering a very different direction with the list.
Would love any feedback on either list still have a bit of time before I have to have this finished.
Talisman of Protection
Talisman of Loec (I think one of these is an enchanted item)
Mage L2 High Magic
Armour of Caledor
Full Command, Banner of Eternal flame
5 Ellyrian Reavers
Musician, Bows and Spears
5 Dragon Princes
2 Repeater Bolt Throwers
I am not sure but I think that this is correct, I am writing it from memory so I may have missed some points.
Shooting is supposed to be a more important part of this army. Magic is designed to control the enemy magic phase rather than do any real damage, either through the 5+ward save or Drain Magic. I think that this is probably the weaker of the 2 armies though I would like to hear anyone's opinion on either one.
Thanks in advance
First of all, I think your lists look like typical tournament lists, are you playing with some sort of comp other than what mentioned? (I'm not a tourny player, but I've seen some tournament lists in action)
Considering this is a tournament and you're bound to face a lot of shooting and magic, two units that can take a punch and still be effective are not enough. Also I feel you sorely lack magic defence.
To free up some points, drop one of the chariots, preferably the Lion Chariot as you have some real punch in the SMs and WLs. Also, I don't see the Noble on the Eagle performing well in this edition, I'd squat him as well, and buff the SMs to 18 models. Then add 2 RBTs. Hmm, 41 points left...
How about putting both the AM and the BSB in the Seaguard unit, dropping 1 LSG and add another Eagle.
Quite rash changes perhaps, but that's what I would do for a tournament.
Am I seeing right? You have nothing but a 6+ Ward Save on your T3 General? You might as well drop this guy entirely and buy some more numbers for him.
The Prince alone is another 12 SMs with Full Command. The extra punch makes the Kitty Kart not really necessary, so I'd trade it for an extra RBT and an Eagle.
I'd also consider the Lore of Life for your mage, some relly good spells there, the basic spell ALMOST as good as the High Magic one, and I wouldn't really trust Drain Magic in this edition, too many dice being rolled at any single spell.
Hope it helped,
5000p. High Elves
I've heard allot of ppl put a flaming banner on eather the seaguard or archers to knock regen off hydras hellpits etc then smack them with bolt throwers. Just a thought.
Well, I think he's included it in both his lists for just that reason
5000p. High Elves
So he has lol sorry.
Thanks for the feedback, it is basically what I would have told myself if I was writing with my head and not my heart. The Lion Chariot isn't really needed in the first list Bolt Throwers probably are, and the Eagle Noble is considerably worse than he was in last edition.
As to the Prince in the second list he is supposed to have the 4+ Ward save and dragon armour but I have forgotten the name of it.
I am surprised that you think there is not enough Magic Defense in the first list, there is only 1 mage but he is at +5 to dispel. What else would you suggest I do there to bolster my defense. Bear in mind that the Eagle noble can be used as an Assassin if necessary.
I think your lists look pretty solid and as a whole pretty balanced. Balanced is a double edge sword for HE. IMO HE is probably the easiest army to create a balanced list. On the plus side there is not going to be a phase or tactic that you are not going to have a an answer. On the downside your answer might not be enough to stop an enemies unbalanced list may it be range, cc, magic, etc. my only advice would be to think of these 2 questions.
1. What is your basic strategy? (Obviously you have to adjust for each battle but most of the time a player relies on a fairly regular opening turn)
2. What is the one unit or tactic you fall back on when things start looking bad. (For me it was SM in 7th edition I used as my shock troops, in 8th its either the SM or the Seaguard, aka my marines to tie up whoever is causing me trouble until help arrives)
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5000p. High Elves
my experience of battles with HE is that bolt throwers isnt worth their points, they just miss with big fat arrow and dovery little damage with small arrows.
ellyrian reavers isnt worth their points either, i would swap these and make a big unit of silver helms (as big as u get them).
an army that seeks to fight without the protection of the eagle claws is clearly courageous or inept. either way, í wish no part in it - Eolaran Greyhawk, Seamaster.