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i just started playing a bout a month ago, My main question is what is the best way to play the high elves as a offensive or deffensive i personaly think i do better if i wait a turn or to to move and just shoot them 2 turns but the ppl i work wit and play with always agervate me telling me that a elves are suppose to be an offensive army thanks greatly appreciated
Well hello there. First off, welcome to the High Elf boards. I hope you stay is a long and pleasant one.
Secondly, it depends on how you want to fight. The High Elves are capable of being played as either variety of army. It really depends on which troops you have at your disposal. Bearing in mind the new army book is out in November, I would suggest trying to borrow one if you don't own one, and writing a couple of lists, and posting them in the army list section. I would be happy to help with any critique after that.
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Most armies can be played both ways or even in the middle. Although there are several people who think that HE spears are really good, I think they are pretty limited and kind of expensive. I've never been a huge fan of str 3 attacks. But people like to play a high elf defense list. Because of the core cavalry in the current edition, a trend among tournament-goers has produced an ultra fast all cavalry list which is purely offensive.
Personally, if you're just getting started, play whatever models you have and learn how WHfantasy works, how to move and do all the basics in the rules, then in a month you can scrap whatever list you had an build a new army with the updated book.
Sounds like the people you work and play with are just getting mad at the fact that the way your playing is upsetting the way they like to play. if you have found a way to use your army and enjoy using it that way it shouldn’t matter what other people say. having used dwarves for several years i have gotten used to people bitching about me setting up on the table edge, shooting them up as they come into combat, them beating back their weakened units with block infantry. the only problem is that your opponent doesn’t always have a fun game this way and it can be a challenge to get them to play you time after time.
a little advice would be maybe to spice up the games you play. set up some objectives and scenarios to capture spots in the middle of the table. this will give you a more challenging game allowing you to adjust a defensive strategy to what is affectively an offensive game. it may lead to you changing your force to be more balanced in the long run and will lead to more interesting games overall
hope this has helped a little,
i think after you know the rules a little better then you should try out both types of army and use the one you find best. Bear in mind, though, that according to rumours the High Elves are going to get completely revamped. Anyway, there is no point winning with a type of army if you don't like the style.
I highly doubt that they are going to change the entire playing style of the elves. They will still have the same strengths and weaknesses, just manifested differently. They have never 'revamped' a list from the ground up. If anything, it seems like they are trying to broaden the field of elven specialties.
As for the original question of offense and defense:
The easiest list to play according to most High Elf generals is the Cavalry list. Everything is mounted, and we have the fastest and most manueverable cavalry. So when you think about it, that gives us a huge advantage, M8 Cav with a 2+ save all around. It just destroys people.
The "Defensive" list is sort of awkward. It's the second most difficult to use, because the core of the elven defensive line is our Spearmen. And they suck at the moment for anything but holding a charge. All of our good units- Pheonix Gaurd, White Lions, and Swordmasters, are 0-1 choices. For shooting, our archers are the most worthless in the game, because they are about 3times more expensive than they should be. So most 'shooters' grab 2 or more RBTs and get called cheesy.
The middle ground list is actually the most difficult to play, but the most attempted. The reason it is so difficult is because you are spending points on both cavalry (who can't hold the line) and spears (who suck at defense) or large expensive 0-1 units. You are hamstringing just about everything in the list. The cav need to stick around just to get flank charges to save your defense. In large points battles (2k+) this is the best list around. In smaller games, you need to pick a facet.
Magic is also something to consider if you want offensive or defensive. But this post is getting really long, so you can find that on your own, or ask about it and I'll help you at another time.
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erm in the new army book all calvary units are special so unfortunatly no all cavelry lists anymore.
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