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Just as a point of interest and to gather as wide a range of oppinions as possible. Is it possible to create a competitive HE 2K army without using dragon princes? I am sure it may well be but i would like other peoples oppionions on the matter.
I'd still skip the SH.. They aren't really worth it. If you really don't want DP, then use chariots as your quick hard hitting support and use reavers for the usual fast cav roles. Just remember you will need some other hard hitters like white lions to replace the DP, and of course bolt throwers to soften the opponent.
Why the silver helms are the same points as before and now get asf? The dragon princes are probably better but you don't need them. Chariots are fragile and easy to destroy. Silver helms have a 2+save.
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yeah, I know DP's are better, but I think people will come back to them a little. In a small game, you can get a whole lot more troops if you take silver helms instead of DP's. And chariots in my experience are worthless. 90% of the time I roll a "1" on the impact hits and that ends up losing me the battle because my spearmen or whatever can't handle the opponents unit by themselves.
In 6th edition my army was all infantry except for 2 units of silver helms with musician that I used kind of like fast cavalry. They would either bait or flank units and usually didn't die very fast to shooting. Infantry has always been the way for my armies anyway. I've used dragon princes in the past and will probably use them in the future, but they are by no means necessary.
I firmly believe in balance. Having a little bit of shooting, magic, infantry, cavalry. Everything has it's place and role. If you load up all on one thing, there's going to be more armies out there that can exploit the 1-2 things you can't do with your 1 trick army.
I also agree mostly with what Buckero0 said although I think the movement from Core to Special is what has really hurt the Silver Helms. I can see why GW did it to fit in with fluff, but before I would usually use a small unit of 5 as a flanking force with their 2+ save it made them very good in this area able to track down skirmishes or when needed get in to the bigger fights and still have a great chance of survival. Also this would mean that I had used up one of my core choices and could concentrate more on the specials. Now under the new rules this has been reversed. Yes they are still useful as a flanking force but I still need to find my 2 core choices and this takes away from my specials.
I just find that for only 7 points extra I would rather get that extra WS, Attack, Initiative and Ld the Dragon Princes give me.
As said before for me being in the same special selection as the Dragon Princes is whats ruined them for me.
I think that they perhaps overloaded Special too much and maybe one or two things could have gone into rare. In larger points games in particular we get a lot of rare slots but still just bolt throwers and eagles to put in them. There are just so many shiny things in special that make the poor old silver helms seem rather dull.
Even though their fluff doesn't really fit with core brilliantly I think that GW should have left them there. It differentiated them from Dragon Princes quite nicely and it allowed the all cavalry army if people want. I know it was too popular before in an army that's supposed to be based around infantry, but that problem should be fixed with the improvements that the infantry have got, encouraging more people to go for the more fluffy infantry army. As it is now a lot of people still go with the cavalry army just with a few archers filling out the minimum core so it's not that much different from the all cav army anyway.
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They should have left Silverhelms core, but did with them what GW has done with many armies. That is, put restrictions on them. I'm not talking about restrictions like 0-1 or 0-2. More Like trappers in the OK armybook, you can take a unit, but you can only take extra units if you have a hunter.
So with one hunter you get two units, with 2 hunters you can get 3.
I think GW could have tied the Silverhelms in with the other core choices in that way. Like if you have 1 unit of spears/archers you can get 1 unit of helms as core, 2 units of spears/archers equals 2 units of Helms. So on and so forth.
I don't know, I think it would have been a good idea. With Helms sharing special slots with my elite infantry, marchblockers, and dragon princes though.... It doesn't look like they will be getting any play time.
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THat is a very good fix Demandred, just like Dwarf Longbeards, and warriors.