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I already posted a thread in the Vampire Counts forum and decided for them, but then I changed my mind (as I had back in a similar thread in Wood Elves forum ).
Anyway, I'm deciding between Vampire Counts and High Elves. What I like to see in an army:
-ranks (because I don't have these in WH40K)
-first class army that will crush any opposition, when in hands of a good commander - this implies it has to be highly tactical, much unlike dwarfs who can simply sit there and wait for it, blasting everything out in the process
Both these armies have this, I think. Now I know I'd be most happy playing Wood Elves, but because I want to experience ranked combat as well, I decided against them for my first army.
Vampire Counts: Very nice models, the Corpse Cart is repulsive yet strangely attractive, great Vampires (very potent casters and fighters at the same time), summoning, Blood Knights! Relatively cheap to purchase, especially with the spearhead being available. Yet their tactic depends on magic and is more or less about the same. But the biggest problem I have with this army is them being one of the evil races in Warhammer. Laugh as you may, I really need to align myself with the fluff and the race as a whole, and this is hard to do in this case (even though I do like the fluff).
High Elves: Very nice models too (apart from a few). Dragons! I really like these, and would be certainly playing them. Nice and fast cavalry, elite and fragile force, which is a plus, because this will force me to think of tactics, versatility, and the added bonus of Always Strikes First. More importantly, I can align myself with these and I like the fluff probably as much as the one from Vampires, if not more.
Now there's one huge problem - money. No army deal or spearhead (for obvious reasons), which means I have to buy the rulebook, the army book, spend two months reading these and thinking out strategies, then come up with an army list, have it reviewed here and then spend huge amount of cash buying the (mostly metallic) models.
I do however have a feeling this may pay off, as I have all sorts of units in this army - flying, lots of cavalry, shooting, repeated bolt thrower, chracian armies !, dragons. Plus the strong magic.
Therefore here I am, noble lords, humbly asking for your advice. The numbers of your noble race dwindle every year. Can you make use of a good general who will lead your armies to glory? Or should I lead the undead in their neverending quest of world dominance?
I dont know if there is much strategy in VC, as the majority of time you will be trying to win with that rank bonus you get for soo many models. HE is a specialist army, units are made for a certain task and God help you if you try to use them for something else.
Lol. There was'nt much point in asking the elf players on lo wether you should choose vampires or elves. So you deserve this: elves!
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It's interesting that you say that Vampire Counts are relatively cheap to buy compared with the High Elves, because I would say that HE are cheaper. Most VC armies will need a lot of Skeletons and/or Zombies, which can quickly get expensive, while with HE you don't need so many models. Many of them are metal though, and therefore individually expensive. Really any army can be cheaper than another depending on which models you want to buy.
I think that HE are the way to go if you want the manouverability and tactical thought; I'm not trying to say VC aren't tactical but from what I've gathered VC armies usually use lots of large blocks of undead which they can make bigger with the Invocation of Nehek. They tend to be there to absorb damage and win through being unbreakable, causing fear and their powerful heros adding damage. HE, on the other hand, need a lot of thought to get right because of their fragile nature. Maybe not quite so much as they used to due to the new army book giving Always Strike First, but they are still just as fragile as they used to be.
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Judging from your post and my research into both armies, I'll be heading for High Elves. This means lots of metallic models and reading the rulebook prior to collecting miniatures, but what the heck, I'll give it a try. Thanks a lot!
Haha, then welcome to Ulthuan brother.
I like your choice of High Elves- I wish I had seen this thread earlier, as I play all 3 of the armies you were looking at (WE, HE, VC). Granted, I haven't seen much of the new VC book.
I can tell you, for tactics and manuevering VC is not the way to go. They are incredibly slow, and only effective in HUGE numbers. Units of 30+ skellies or zombies are typical. Means 2 boxes, or $70. They have little room to move around also, since they are in big blocks.
Fortunately, you have alot more options with the High Elves. They are more rewarding (in my opinion) to paint, because their bright uniforms make them stand out against the backgrounds. Their tactical ability is right on the edge of simplicity and difficult. You can learn to use them very quickly, and then broaden your horizons almost endlessly.
Those metal models are cheap- $50 for 5Dragon Princes isn't that bad, considering that average unit size for them is 5. Now, collecting large units of Sword Masters could get pricey, but you won't need many of these metal models because PointsCost will limit how many you can fit into one list.
Buying the Battalion Sets (or spearheads as you 40kers call them) is generally a bad idea. You tend to wind up with models that you don't use and a list that someone else made for you. I have only ever bought 1 battalion box and it's because i needed everything inside for a list i had already made. I would suggest looking at what you like, and then collecting from there.
I largely agree about battalion box sets not being the best idea, but I must say they make a good basis for 1000 point armies.
3000 points Tyranids
2000 points Blood Angels
1500 point Orks
Thanks a lot for your insights!
Anyway, I'm going to amuse you all who have been following my road to first WHFB army by telling you that: (tada)
It's back to the Wood Elves! Why? Because Vampires are easy to play and expensive to get, and because half of our local players have High Elf armies too, while only one plays the Wood Elves!
So I'll be promoting diversity and low spending., as the Wood Elves are arguably one of the cheapest armies to get