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Hey guys, i have just started collecting a High Elf army mainly because i think that the models are awesome!! I have played a few games of WHFB before but i have never really collected my own army ( i usually borrowed my cousins). I am pretty up to date with the rules because i have always been interested in the background of Warhammer.
I was wondering if i could get some help with my army from you guys, i have just bought the battalion box set, some swordmasters and noble and mage box as well as a chariot. Because i am pretty new to the modelling part of the hobby im going to take things slow and make my units slowly so i can get to know how to use them well in small battles before moving onto other models.
My cousin has also started collecting the new VC army and i was just wondering if i could get your opinion on the list i made for a 500pt army:
Noble on horse with lance and heavy armour as well as the talisman or item (i cant remember) that allows one roll for leadership on 3d6 discarding the highest.
a unit of 7 silver helms with command etc. ( i dont have any dp models yet)
16 spearmen with full comman and lion standard ( immune to fear and terror)
Just wanted to know i you guys think this is a pretty viable list for 500 pt games my cousin will have a list htat will be something like:
crypt ghouls (not sure how many)
20 or so zombies/skeletons
and either direwolves or some magic items for the vampire.
what are your thoughts?
First of all- welcome to the site, and the army. hopefully you'll enjoy them both alot.
Second- this should have been posted in the 'Army List' section of the board. Since you're not asking for help with rules or tactics or anything, and just need help on the list, I'd say put the list there.
But until the mods move this, I'll help you out awhile. I know it's your first list, so there's probably alot to cover.
1) The noble is a good idea, but I'd suggest (against VC) using a mage. That talisman that you gave him isn't worth it. I'd give him a ward-save item, or increased armor save. That talisman is best used on unit champions, especially since it can only be used once.
2) Don't take Silver Helms. And certainly don't take 7 of them. The typical unit size for heavy cavalry now is 6. It's just about right for cost effectiveness and will give you enough guys to get into combat. I would try to find a way to convert these guys to Dragon Princes. Keep using them as DP anyways, until you can get the conversion done or replace them.
3) Not sure with the spears. Usually, you want to try to have more spearmen in a unit, a number more like 20. Definently a multiple of 5, since the old regiment blocks were meant for the old rules when ranks of 4 got you the bonus.
Be warned though, HE armies tend to suffer more in low-point games, because we can't field many special or rare units.
Yeah sorry about that its just that im pretty new to the whole forum thing as well so im not really sure about where to post etc.
Thanks for your reply it was pretty quick as well! 8Y
The main reason why i did post that is just to get a general idea of how to play with HE because i have never really had to think of using a pretty fragile and very tactical army.
i was at one point collecting a dwarf army and it seems to me that there isnt that much of a need to think of too many tactics when it comes to using them (basically wait they will come to you in the meanwhile you blast holes in their ranks and then when they do come to you, you smash them).
So i have had to have a total rethink of tactics since i now have fragile models that can do major damage but have to be used very carefully which is going to be hard until i get used to it.
I kind of figured that i would be pretty outmached in a low point game because of the fact that my cousin can field at least twice as many models as i can which is kinda gay.
I will take on board your idea of increasing my spearmen the only problem is that the battalion box only gives me 16 models so i may have to do someting dodgy to make it look like there is 20 of them.
i will also try to convince him to let me use SH as DP instead until i get suitavle models for that.
the way i was thinking was that i would use my noble with the cavalry to smash holes in the undead ranks and generally try to manouvre them for flank charges etc. whilst my spearmen would be my main block there to hold up the other units and hopefully at the same time do some damage to his ranks or was i maybe being to optimistic?
Hmm the problem with using calvary, especialy shock calvary -yeah as dumb as that sounds...- is that they can't break undead on the charge. If they get stuck in combat, especialy with a unit lead by a vampire they are stuffed. My suggestion, play 750p battle intead, throw in some of the awsome sword masters, even 6 of them (90p) are quite scary(12x S5 WS6 A!!!, couple them with your spearmen -spearmen provide ranks while sword masters provide kills- also silver helms are crud compared to dragon princes, for less than a third more points you get more WS, Attacks and better arm as well as LD?
High Elves suck at prolonged combats, use your speed to get away from battles that your units would normally loose, and only charge if you believe you can win the combat round. Also, Commanders -hero choice fighters- are realy good when just equiped with a great weapon, they will die against opposing leaders though.
Last edited by Vefador_the_cunning; April 12th, 2008 at 11:15.
Vefador's Bloody fist
Eh, yeah- running with a 750pt game really would help here, because like he said, you could add in Swordmasters or Archers or an RBT.
Your tactic is pretty standard for what most elf players try to do. You're sending in your cavalry to take down any targets that they know they can handle, and then using them in conjunction with the spears to take on the toughest units. This might work out for you, or, he could tarpit your cavalry and have the spears all to himself. There's nothing you can really do about it, it's just something that might happen.
Also, I would say that it would be very easy for a unit of our "shock cavalry" to break a unit of undead. I wouldn't necessarily advise charging into the big unit of zombies or skeletons, but Crypt Ghouls will certainly run away. The gravegaurd will too- a unit of 10 of them gets one rank, and might have a banner. If he hits with 6Dragon Princes it will be 12 attacks that hit on 3-4 and wound on 2-3. Considering that the GG won't even have an armor save after that, compared to our 2+ save, the elves should win that combat with enough CR to severely deplete the GG unit if not destroy it completely. The GG cannot be resurrected with IoN, so they will stay down once he hits them.
Your tactic looks good- hit the Crypt Ghouls, Dire Wolves, and Gravegaurd early with your knights. Then, if the opportunity is there, you could even try your hand at taking down his Vampire (if he's stupidly standing out there alone. If he's in a unit, just ignore it). Then hook back around and charge the unit attacking your spears. That should give your cousin a run for his money. Just remember to pressure for bigger armies, where you'll have more room to work with.
sounds good, lol i wasnt suggesting that DP couldnt take on GG or CG, but those units usualy have a vampire....
Vefador's Bloody fist
Thanks a lot for your help guys its good to get confirmation from you guys that what i am planning to do is logical and not just dumb or crazy.