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we really only have 2 magic resistance items that I can think of. It seems that every component of any list I have made is essential and if lost, can sometimes cost you the game. I was wondering, is there anyway to make a high elf list that can withstand serious magic opponents with little to no magic protection ourselves? Can I make a list that only needs 1 level 1 mage and still make it work? I know there are lots of 4 dragon prince unit armies out there, but not only is that improbable for me, but does not suit my playing style. I was thinking, if I had a mostly infantry army, could I get it to work ? Is it worth taking more heroes (for some of the magic items) or should I just focus on getting as many troops as possible and only use a mage, prince (for leadership and kills) and a bsb?
As long as you can successfully cast drain magic the list would be fine. 2 Level 1's with dispel scrolls would be a much safer option. If its a 4 dragon prince list i'd just go for 1 level 1 with 2 dispel scrolls.
Theoretically, I could realistically see a list that runs Banner of Arcane Protection carried by a unit standard, Banner of the World Dragon carried by a BSB (you'd have to mount him to give him a 2+ cavalry save so he doesn't just keel over, but he could stay in an infantry unit), Amulet of Fire carried by a unit champ, and Loremaster's Cloak carried by another Noble/Prince, plus a level 1 with Anullian Crystal that could be effective. That would give you two units that are more or less immune, one with MR(2), and one with MR(1), and 4 base dispel dice with +1 to dispel. If you think that's still not enough, you could try giving a Prince the Null Stone to get protection for a 5th unit, but IMO the item is really not that good because it eats your entire item allowance, and you won't be able to do any better than mounting him on barded steed with heavy armor and shield to just give him a *normal* 2+ cavalry save.
Casting Drain Magic with your sole Level 1 really isn't a viable option as your primary defense, as you only get to cast it on two dice. It only goes off half the time, and most of those will get dispelled because your opponent is going to roll 3D6 to stop it.
I believe that this year's GT winning list used a big unit of Dragon Princes with the a mounted bsb with banner of the world dragon. This might be a good option to go for but it does mean that you have a big points sink that is going to attract a good deal of mundane fire.
yeah, I was just thinking of running an infantry heavy list and wondering if you could get enough guys where it wouldn't really matter if you let a few magic spells go and just had enough to stop the big, game-changing spells. Do we have enough magic trinkets to pull it off? Like one skink priest can store 2 power dice and use them for dispel dice, the Orcs have their banner of dispel dice = ranks, etc.
I'm thinking of running 2-3 big blocks of spearmen, big block of whitelions and phoenix guard and maybe some swordmasters. PG don't need super magic resisitance except for against spells that alter their characteristics (6s are 1s or old type slaanesh type spells) White Lions have a decent save vs regular missile fire, but lion banner is awesome on them as well as MR 1 (amulet of fire) makes them tough against most spells. Things like that is kind of what I was thinking.
Between a unit of phoenix guard, the banner of arcane protection and the banner of the world dragon, I think there could be some serious magic resistance going on.
Two level 1 mages, one with annulian and one as a caddy seems to work well although you could go with just a caddy.
The only problem I see is that such a list would load up on MR, which can only block offensive spells. Your list will be wide open to passive magic users like Tomb Kings, Ogers and Vampire Counts because their spells don't directly target your units...and if you let any one of those three armies have their way in the magic phase you probably gonna get stomped.
The only honorable options left to we combatants is seppuku or semantics...which amount to the same thing really.
yeah, but I don't ever lose a game to TK and while vanhel's is nasty, I would still have some protection against it. I really don't care about the building the units spells, bc I can't stop all of them anyway. With PG or lion banner, I wouldn't be running from the VC anyway even if I lost. My problem is with offensive spells or the sneaky spells like O&G magic.
Plus, the idea behind this type of list would be to have lots more guys than the average list, so there would be big blocks of spearmen and larger units to deal with fighty units. It would actually be my goal to march everyone up and engage in combat rather than sit back and shoot or magic stuff. 5-6 large blocks of troops, maybe a noble on an eagle to hid behind the blocks and take out flankers and marchblockers.
here's kind of what I was thinking
18 PGuard warbanner
18 WLions Lion Banner
20 Spears FC
20 Spears FC
20 Spears FC
Prince great weapon, Gem of Radiant Hoeth, Armor Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
BSB Sword of Might, Dragon Armor, shield, helm of fortune
Noble Great Eagle, Star lance, Enchanted shield, Dragon Armor (could drop the SL for regular lance, but really want this guy to chase off flanking units like knights, flyers, whatever, instead of hampering units with reaver bow)
Mage scrolls, amulet of light
now I still have around 220pts, so I could get some eagles to redirect and shadow warriors and maybe bulk up a few units here and there.
Last edited by buckero0; April 25th, 2008 at 22:10.
For me, a HE force with next to no magic is unthinkable. Because HE have all their magic possibilities it would be stupid not to take advantage of that. I'm not saying it's not worth trying and I'm sure it would have been a fun project and an interesting game, but IMO we need it.
It could be an idea to shorten down the use of magic for some of the lists I've seen around here, and I agree with anybody who think people use way to much magic these days. Though I quite like magic myself, I'm not one of those magic fanatics who use four casters for 2000 points. Magic use up a lot of points for us, but entirely without magic? Nope.
5000p. High Elves