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I was thinking recently; Do my Dragon Princes really need a Lord/Hero in their ranks when my foot-troops are getting slaughtered?
How would I go about arming a Martial character on foot?
Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor and Guardian Phoenix sounds alright as a starting point (for a Noble). Is there something wrong with this setup? And/or, is there something better/more useful I could be using?
Larger games, I'd be using a Prince using
Blade of Leaping Gold, Armour of Caledor...Plus something else?
...Lacks a Ward Save.
I've also tried a Prince with Reaver Bow and Shadow Armour (in a unit of SWs) a few times. It seems to work. But, it leaves my rank-and-file troops behind, which I don't entirely like doing. And getting charged one too many times by Chaos Knights means I definately need to leave a Hero (or Lord) level character back with the regular troops.
I have both a unit of Swordmasters and Phoenix Guard. Swordmasters usually carry the Lion Standard. Is it worth shelling out for a BSB for a Battle Banner to go with the Phoenix Guard? Mostly I feel that both of these units perform reasonably well without a Hero in their ranks. But, my spearmen (and/or Sea Guard) tend to get mowed down by heavy-hitting fast units (like the aforementioned Chaos Knights...But most things do.).
I tend to use two Level 2 Mages, a Noble (usually mounted). And my Lord slot tends to fluctuate between an Archmage and a Prince - depending on opponent. Still, advice on Martial 'foot' characters is needed. As mentioned; I don't yet have a BSB-character (do I really need one?), and have little experience with them.
Well the armour of caladour is neccesary so he gets a good save. A good weapon is useful
Daemonic cheese-how? Well, you would need to start with daemonic milk, i guess...
Well, I will try and advise, not sure it will be helpful.....
Personally, I like having a BSB in a holding block. The extra combat res is useful and they are capable of doing some hefty damage. I have two configurations that I use regularily:
Noble BSB on foot:
Armour of Caledor
This guy is a good holding anchor BSB. He is tough and outputs damage. You could put a guardian phoenix on him if you want him to be tougher.
Noble BSB on Horseback
Lance, Shield, Dragon Armour
This guy is fantastic in a unit of Dragon Princes. A +2 to +7 swing in combat res before kills from him alone can break a unit if you smash them in the flank.
As for a combat lord, I tend to use a Prince with the Vambraces of Defence, Armour of Caledor and a Amulet of Light. Equip him with a great weapon, and watch him smash the enemy as well as be fairly resistant to damage.
In the end, I would try and design a couple of lists and then test the armies out. In the end, the best advice is to test what works for you. You may have a different play style to me, and this may mean my characters won't work for you.
I hope this helps
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I think you have received some helpful advice.
I use two mages and two special characters. Personnel choice as I love the models.
My tuppence - a Prince on Foot could be Armour of Caledor, Vambraces of Defence, Great Weapon, Talisman of Loec.
Alternatively, if he is going to be used as a support unit, I would go with Bow of the Seafarer, Armour of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix, Great weapon. The rationale is that he can stand and shoot, has S6 missile attacks hitting and killing most targets on 2s, gets S6 attacks in HTH, and gets a 2+ armour, 5+ ward save. Arguably Alith Anar is better value, but his "lack of Great Weapons is disturbing"....
Now that GW have covered units of mixed bases I run a hero BSB like this in my foot troops:
BSB, Barded Steed, Heavy Armour, Shield, Helm of Fortune, Sword of Might.
Gives him a 1+ save with a re-roll and Strength 5. I leave him with the troops but if there is the opportunity I charge him out the unit to tackle archers and war machine crew.
If you really want a lord on foot you could try:
Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor, Vambraces of Defence & Talisman of Loec.
That's a 2+ save w/ a re-roll, 4+ ward and strength 6 attacks. Pop the talisman of Loec when you really need to kill someone. I'm not a big fan of the unique High Elf magic weapons. A great weapon is good enough!
The Blade of Leaping Gold and a talisman of Loec might make for one (and only one!) devastating round of combat however.
Last edited by Acidburns; March 16th, 2009 at 21:16.
The great weapon also lets you keep all of your magic item allowance for other goodies, which is always nice.
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Originally Posted by gingerninjaBSBs with great weapons and shields? I'm fairly certain that they aren't allowed to do anything with their 'off' hand, so no shields or two-handed weapons.Originally Posted by Acidburns
Maybe I'm just still running an edition behind...
You are indeed. BSB in the High Elf book can be given whatever you want. He can carry the shield (after all, a standard RnF trooper can, so why not?) and use it in conjunction with weapons etc etc.
In my mind, a Prince should be survivable above all else, he is normally teh weak point on a Dragon, or the means to get a decent combat resolution against enemy RnF. So the chances of him getting injured or even kileld by an enemy grunt (due to his T3) should be minimised.
Armour of Caledor whilst on foot is a must, unless you want him to scout, and Vambraces of defense make him all that more resilient. Even mundane S7 hits will offer him 6+ save with reroll and a 4+ ward save. Chances of fluffing this are only 35%. Chances are that he is your general, so you also want to protect that Ld10 just in case you do lose a combat.
For a BSB, I would also opt for the resilience granted by Armour of Caledor to the BSB, else put him on a barded steed so he can wave about the banner wherever required. I have been known to give the BSB an enchanted shield, lance and Guardian Phoenix to protect him and also make him quite a handful in combat. You could always forgo the items for a magic banner, but only for large games where he can be adequately protected within many blocks of infantry or cavalry.
Standard Nobles are not there to take on other caharcters, that is what you have unit champions for. They should bolster your lines against enemy RnF, dealing with most standard enemies easily enough through the use of Great Weapons. Buffing units is also useful, taking the talisman of light for example
Everyone is pointing out the main weakness in HE characters, survivability. Another good point is that you can take a great weapon and still get ASF. That makes a cheap and hard hitting combination. I am going to have to start putting the BSB into our HE armies. The advantages are just overwhelming. Sometimes I am just careless.