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i have heard alot of talk about converting highelves to make chracian cavalry on war lions but i wonder has anyone made up some of there own rules and used them in games. also what parts did they use for the conversions? can you buy war lions without the chariot?
I think it should be a choice for a character, but other than that, I've seen some converted dragon princes from Lion from the chariot. Most of the "bits" stores these days sell lions by themselves, but the price is usually so high that you can get the complete chariot kit for just a little bit more from most online retailers.
I was thinking something like this:
White lion cavalry 30 points/model
M WS BS S T W I A LD
White Lion - 5 4 4 3 1 5 1 8
War Lion 8 5 - 5 4 1 4 2 8
Unit size weapons and armour special rules
5+ Great Axes Stubborn
heavy Armour lion cloaks
hand weapons fear
Think would be fun to play but how effective i don't know. armour save would only be 4+ but they would hit hard - lions 2s5 attacks and rider 1 sr5 attack (only +1 s with mounted great weapon) fast through woods and fear causing and not too bad V missles.
Would they be classed as fast cavalry because they don't have barding?
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The armour save vs missiles would be pretty hefty though, at 2+ due to the lion cloak and being mounted...
I think that causing Fear and Woodsman would be akin to having two standards (closest is the Lion Standard, Banner of Ellyrion) and so these guys should probably cost more than 30 points apiece, or else the unit upgrades should be very costly (can you imagine these guys with the Lion Standard making them immune to psychology as well as causing fear and being stubborn?)
These would be not far off Chaos Knights or Grail Knights in terms of effectiveness, and that s a BAD thing for opponents of High Elves.
Great idea,though. And I am one of the individuals making a mounted white lion rider (using the Silver Helms legs is a good plan, but you need to do some serious filing down on the insides of the armoured legs to get them to fit), Lord Alannin Ironglaive, Warden of Tor Achare...
I think that fast cavalry have to have a 5+ save or worse, but this is based on an old version of the rules and I am not sure if it is still the case.
As far as rules go they don't seem too bad, I think that they should cost a bit more than Dragon Princes though as they are considerably better in round 2 of a fight, maybe even as much as 35 points.
From a fluff perspective, I prefer the idea of Lion handlers than riders, basically the same unit but moves 5" a turn instead of 8 and would fight like salamanders or Razordons. Maybe with a special rule that let both lion and handler fight in combat at the same time, while only lion could be attacked (like Hydra) but that is too many special rules.
If I'm not mistaken, fast cav don't necessarily have a numeric save limitation, they simply cannot use both a shield and light armor, or they lose fast cav.
As for the razordon concept, I think that would be cool. I don't think it would be too many special rules... if the DEs can have a rare with 8,000 special rules, so can we.
I think it would end up being a rare choice, and would be skirmishers, so woodsmen wouldn't matter.
I'm thinking 2 WLs per war lion, with the unit requiring base contact to attack (war lions get priority.)
Fear me, mortals, for I am The Anointed, The Favored Son of Chaos, The Scourge of the World. The armies of the Gods rally behind me, and it is by My Will and by My Sword that your weakling nations shall fall. - Archaon, The Everchosen, Lord of the End Times
There are no fast cav units who have more than a 5+ save. That's the point that I think is being made.
And I disagree with the whole "lion and handlers" thing. It's not something HE would do- I think that HE beasts fight alongside them because they want to, or because they have been trained to do so.
I like the idea that they came up with in WAR. The White Lion characters have a pet lion who they can sic on enemies. It's really pretty cool, because they are the elven equivalent of Tankers, in that they take massive damage, and a WL player who can command his Lion effectively is almost immovable on the field.
I think that Lions should be an upgrade to regular WL units, kinda like Kroxigors can go into units of skinks. Maybe 1 for every 3 or something.
That's possible, though TBH, I don't think that a mixed unit in this vein suits High Elves per-se. I would certainly have much preferred Cavalry-style White Lions than chariots, chariots being a "Tiranoc" thing, and of very dubious use in Chrace, which is described as mountainous and heavily forested.
A Cavalry unit with good staying power was always required, and GW missed a trick there, it could have been fun seeing Glade Riders or Wild Riders duking it out with White Lions.
A White Lion "Pack Master" type chaacter would be feasible, in a similar way to the Ogre Hunter, but then I think the "Big Cat" theme will be far overdone in a High Elves army. The army only has one each of the "signature" units from the kingdoms (Eataine = Seaguard, Saphery = Swordmasters, Nagarythe = Shadow Warriors, Ellyrion = Reavers, Charce = White Lions, Caledor = Dragon Princes, Tiranoc = chariots)
In previous editions, you had the Maiden Guard (Avelorn); but aside from the character Eltharion, we have never had any representation from Yvresse (how about these Yvresse rangers?) or Cothique (since they got rid of Elven sailors..). I think the Charcian war chariot over-cooked the theme a bit. And whilst I like the idea of a unit of White Lion riders, I'd rather see that as a White Lion riding special character (I wonder why!) and a unit from the two "forgotten" kingdoms....