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High Elf Noble With Heavy Armour mounted in Chariot with Great Weapon
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Battle Banner (i.e +D6 Combat Resolution).
a) Is this legal?
I am thinking primarily of the Great Weapon and having a standard.
b) Is this effective?
I was thinking of teaming him up with another Chariot and using it in a 1000pt game. With the always strike first rule this combination would get 2d6 St 5 Impact hits, 3 St 4 Attacks and 3 St 6 attacks and of course 4 st 3 attacks from the horses. Their static combat res would be d6+1.
It comes to 350pts or more and is therefore a bit of a points sink. On the other hand in smaller games there won't be too much that can withstand the charge.
Last edited by Visitor Q; May 12th, 2009 at 14:14.
1) yes, it's legal. It is assumed that he plants the banner and draws a weapon, or -in this case- that it's attached to the chariot.
2) as to it's effectiveness, i can see that this would be pretty devastating. However, it's just over a third of your army. I think it would be a great idea at 2K, but at 1K I'm not too sure how it will go. Of course, there will be fewer cannons and warmachines in a 1K list, but you'll be presenting fewer targets as well.
Give it a try and let us know how it turns out. You might be on to something.
The High Elf book was one of the first where it was legal for a BSB to have the same equipment as a normal noble with no penalties. The BSB with a great weapon is perfectly legal, and it's a fairly popular choice.
The only other thing to point out is that mounted great weapons only give +1S so the BSB would be striking at S5.
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Not only would it be potentially devastating the BSB would have unit Strength 5, so would negate ranks, another bonus from the setup.
It would almost be worth putting a 2nd noble (or mage) in the other chariot, then they could pincer infantry blocks, 1 from front, 1 from flank virtually gauranteeing they won't stick around D6+1 vs 2 (standard and outnumber) is pretty good odds even without any wounds. With an 18" charge it would be tough for infantry to maneuvre out of.
I would suggest that the BSB in a chariot is actually a pretty soft target. I would opt for a halberd, heavy armour and shield just in case you are charged yoruself, as a BSB in a chariot is a tempting target. However, if it works you hit paydirt as the BSB is really a powerful means of causing crumble/flee.
The only issue is that he lacks unit protection from missiles and magic, and HE have no "area defense" items to protect him either.
Cost wise, and possibly even resilience wise this is probably less efficient that adding him to a unit of 5 DPs with champion. As that would be 11 S5 attacks + the BSBs attacks all at ASF + banner + DP banner (if you take one) and would also possibly outnumber at the end of the combat through being US 12.
Add to the fact that DPs can march as well and the 2+ armour save, even with a naked DP unit for the price of two chariots you have a much more effective unit here.
If you add amage to this on a barded steed with a suitable magical defense, then its going to rule a 1000 pt battle.
Doesn't the noble get a +2 save for being on a chariot?
Dragon armour would be worth the extra couple of points if your opponent goes fire magic.
I love the sheer speed of Tiranoc chariots, with good deployment and at this points level shouldn't get shot too much! Good luck!
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This meant my mates thinking a Dreadlord on coldone chariot with 1+sv (chariot, armour, sh, cloak), Pendant, Pearl of half BS and Ring of Hotek. Hard to shoot or magic or kill!
I was planning a naked DP assault on it to avoid challenge based injury avoiding and try to flatten the chariot itself!
Thanks for the tips guys. I am planning to try it out this Saturday.
I actually have a very old Elf chariot with a mage mounted onit so I might give that a try.
Very safe place for the mage, anything hitting the chariot only hits him on a 6 and he'd use the chariots 4+ save. And if the chariots destroyed he steps clear form the wreckeage! Only really an issue in combat if not everyone in contact is kiilled. As long as you've flanked should be fine and US5 helps.