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Hey guys I was just wondering what kind of tactics you guys use when taking on Demons. This is the one army i can never get a good result against.
Here are some background notes:
I play against my cousing who likes to take a magic heavy army. We generally play games ranging from 1250 to 2250 pts although lately we have been going hard on the 2250 games.
His army is generally something like 3 tzeench sorcerors and khorne dude on a juggernaut. He takes units of horrors which give him that extra gay spell and also loves taking 3-6 flamers (cant believe D6 shots per model ). He will then chuck in a unit of bloodletters and some khorne hounds as well as some screamers to round things out.
I dont know if its my crap dice rolling or his ridiculous rolls but every time i have tried to counter his magic with extra magic i get taken overpowered.
We havent gone into the Dragon/ Greater demon side of things yet we are still trying to keep it civil.
I guess what i would like to know is what kind of units/strategy do you guys recommend to take this army on and give me a reasonable result. Everything i have tried so far has gotten annihilated by him.
A big thank you for any help in advance
attack volume and fear negation is they key as far as i have experienced.
multi attack units like dp and sm really make short work out of them. RBT volley shots are also sweet. i wouldn't take fewer than 3 in a 2k list against such armies. finally, our archers actually provide some nice numbers as most daemons are actually not very tough.
my archers actually slaughtered (i admit, luckily) an entire unit of bloodletters as the only thing causing wounds to it. relatively both long ranged and accurate, you can pick off quite a few b4 they charge. stand and shoot + ASF attacks can also really throw people off.
negating/mitigating fear can be a challenge. in order to have those sm/dp units hit reliably, u need to make sure they dont run before they can wreck some face. That's where lion/balance standards come into play. having a solid unit of sm and dp, both protected by the standards mentioned above can really make sure that the daemon's day is ruined.
finally, an anvil unit. pg already cause fear and have great defensive capabilities. this makes them ideal for being an anvil unit against such an army. the only "problem" is that they can't dish out the volume of attacks that i mentioned is so important. one way to alleviate this is to slap a BSB with a great weapon in a pg unit. this allows the unit to hit with more punch and of course add the always nice static cr.
as far as magic goes....i like light, fire and high lores against everything but nurgle. the key against being volume of hits, and light just has sweet bonuses against daemons anyway. if it is a nurgle army you're up against, shadow's pit of shades is really fun too against all those low I models!
our magic can in theory be rather potent (I miscast 2-3 times a game) but both bound rings are nice. Make sure you use the one towards the end of the phase and try to destroy something good.
While fear/psychology is always a problem, we do have the lion standard and the standard of balance and even the gem of courage to help out.
Flamers are ridiculous, but RBT and reaver bow actually do a decent job of whittling them down. The same could be said for their magic users.
If they take the hatred bloodletters, I like to take and eagle to the rear of them and then let them pursue or overrun after the eagle which either exposes a flank or rear to my cavalry.
Demons are tough for all armies, that's the way they wrote the books good guys easy to beat, bad guys easy to make a hard list.
Thanks a lot for the tips guys i havent really been doing some of those things tacticaly speaking so i might have to readjust my thinking a bit and try out a few different things.
Out of curiosity how does the standard of balance actually work i wasnt too sure of the wording.
THe unit is immune to psychology (fear, terror and panic) and any unit in base to base with them is also immune to psychology as well as losing frenzy and being immune to hatred.
Ring of Fury is great, RIng of Corin less so, as in my last reading, Demons don;t have magic items, they have gifts, which aren't the same....
As demons die to static CR, Dragon princes charging in with a BSB is greta - maybe giving the unit banner of arcane protection or World Dragon and the BSB the Lion standard would be nice, but S5 attacks and S6 attacks, decent enough missile protection and decent magical protection
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