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Just a real quick question, since the WLC is crewed by White Lions, I don't suppose they get the +2 Armour versus shooting from their cloaks, do they?
The shooting attacks are directed at the chariot as a whole, not the crew, and the armour save is that of the chariot itself. (the Lion Chariot has a better armour save than the Tiranoc Chariot to represent its sturdier construction).
In addition, the Weapons and Armour section doesn't mention any Lion Cloaks, but it does say what the crew are armed with.
So basically, yes the crew are wearing their Lion Cloaks but it's never the crew that take the armour saves. Therefore the lion cloaks have no benefit and therefore they aren't mentioned in the weapons and armour section.
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yes, Ancalagon is right, but i find it wierd that the lion chariot is not stubborn, and their crew are white lions. i mean, it's logic that the cloaks don't count for +2 armour save, but stubborn is pshycology, they should be stubborn.
I find it odd that 4 white lions foot is almost harder to kill than a chariot, Wood being hard to hurt and Lions themselves being pretty tough, I imagine the weakest link would be the crew. I am clearly very nieve though.
Pretty much what I had assumed, and have played it as. I was just looking for another edge for the unit.
I love the look and the fluff, but in-game I haven't had much success with my WLC. I have two more to build, and I'm leaning towards making them both Tiranocs...
When this HE book first came out and introduced WL chariots, I was one of the biggest voices saying that they are overpriced and do the same job as a tiranoc for almost double the cost.
I still think they are overpriced by a bit, but since I tried them they have never let me down. You must remember that above all, they are a chariot which makes them vulnerable and fragile, as you close you need to keep them safe from warmachines and magic as best you can. When they get t ocombat though.... Wow. In general, I tend to roll poorly for impact hits and never have much luck with them. For tiranocs, this means they bounce off the unit and are gone. For white lions, after impact hits they still have an impressive 6 s5 high WS attacks, some of which are ASF. This means even in subsequent rounds of combat they have a big contribution and often leave nothing to hit back at them. I have had my WL chariot take on a whole unit by itself, getting through the 5 points of static combat res to chase them down. After it is through, it can then target the softer things at the back like corpse carts, warmachines and archer/crossbow/handgun units.
Also do not ignore the fact that it causes fear. It will basically never outnumber, but it means enemies must pass a fear check to charge it (useful if you are already in combat) and may be weakened when you charge them. It also critically means that it is immune to fear and you can safely charge undead without worrying about it failing a fear check.
The lion chariot makes a good companion for a Phoenix Guard unit. Both cause fear and neither usually outnumber, but when combined they will often give the numbers required to outnumber with fear, and the chariot provides the killing power while the PG provide static combat res and very rarely die. Then the lion chariot gets 3d6 to pursue so can often catch the enemy after they flee.
I would give them a bit more of a chance. Just treat them like a glass hammer and keep them hidden next to or slightly behind your units while crossing the field. I only run one of my two chariots as WL though, the other is good enough as a tiranoc.
Also note - Korhil riding a WL chariot benefits from an insane save vs shooting attacks....(same could be said of any HE character, but only Korhil has a Lion Cloak, heavy armour and teh ability to ride a Lion Chariot with its better save)
I must admit that I have used them a couple of times now as well and they are not as bad as I first believed.
I have found that they work well with Swordmasters and a couple of eagles, this forces opponents to choose carefully where to shoot with their small arms fire and that is a bonus. A cannon or High Strength shuriken (Stupid Dark Elves) still worries me, but it isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
Lion Chariot still only applies +2 to Korhil's save though, giving him a 1+ save vs shooting and a 4+ save on the chariot right.
Aye - that's what I meant - Korhil hismelf gets a 1+ armour save vs shooting..
I use Lion charriots when playing armies that use a lot of fear, such as vampire counts as the Lion Chariot itself causes fear also. PLUS, there is nothing more satisfying that a lion chariot flanking 6 black knights or whatever they call themselves and smashing them to pieces
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