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just now starting to learn about game and wanting to get myself an army. How could is the battalion set? or would it be better to start an army from scratch? I know I would need a lord/hero on top of it, but other than that, is it a good place to start?
also, I am looking to create an army that can shoot from far and quickly move in and out of danger. so i didnt know how useful the units in there would be.
Last edited by Slig; June 28th, 2009 at 16:42.
Basically the Battalion sets are a 'buy-three-get-one-free' deal with units. As long as all four units are usable, it's a good deal.
Having said that, the battalion includes Silver Helms. Once you get used to the list for High Elves, you'll quickly realize that Dragon Princes are better in several ways at a point cost that makes Silver Helms pretty much a bad choice in any kind of scenario.
So, if you want Silver Helms, or can proxy them, it's fine. If you are going for WYSIWYG and competitive, there's not much point in getting the battalion since the Silver Helms will sit on your shelf while you play other units.
Just my opinion of course.
im not looking for any competitiveness yet. this is pretty much purely for my fun and playing casually with friend when he gets his set or playing over at GW with people i hope to meet.
im pretty much just looking to setup a decent army that I can have fun with, without worrying about breaking the bank.
Last edited by Slig; June 28th, 2009 at 17:51.
The Silver Helms actually make nice models to use as the basis of champion spearmen, and you can combine archer and Silver HElms legs to make Reavers, just swap the barded steeds for unbarded ones if you can (Maybe through some of the various exchange sites?)
An Alternative is to buy the unbarded steeds direct from agmes workshop, maybe the glade rider ones which are very nice. The barded steeds can be used as spares or again, if you can buy Dragon Prince components, you can possibly get cheaper DPs just getting the metal pieces...
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I would suggest getting it.
You may never use the silver helms, but as stated it's "buy 3 get 1 free" so you'll be getting 3 units that you'll use and be paying for them and you'll get a free unit of silver helms which look nice and ultimately can be converted, proxied or used as bits.
So I'd say get it
i think the battallion of the HE is a good choice. because you really get a unit for free.. some armies it's a difference of just a few bucks, and not worth the effort..
i think you could do a lot of good with the batallion, beacause the other units are really the backbone of most HE armies. if you add a unit of specials (PG, WL, or SM) you will have a nice list you can play real fun battles with
thanks for the help, If I am unable to score some stuff for cheap within the next few days on ebay. I will probably just go pickup the battalion at local hobby store.
Hmm - I'd like to offer a contradictory opinion if I may.
I've played HE since I started playing WHFB years ago. Due to the new book's troop/unit choices, I'd stay away from the battalion if I were you. You've already heard that the silver helms are near useless unless converted into dragon princes and then you still only have 8 instead of 10-12 as you would need. Depending on who you will be playing, the spearmen are also near useless. Yes they offer static combat resolution but are very frail (as all elves are) and are incompetant against anything T4 or better or that has a decent armor save.
So really you are left with just archers. You can almost make 2 units of archers from one box. What you really need are special troop choices (DP, WL, PG, SM or whatever floats your boat). You're going to want at least 1 eagle and 2 RBTs for rares. Unfortunately getting the special choices (not found in the battalion) is expensive and/or expensive and time consuming to buy/convert. We have more special choices than any other army so I'd invest in them, rather than in a bunch of core units that you won't use.
Even if you think it's a deal, buy stuff you won't use, won't save you money. Unless you plan on converting your spearmen into PG or SM, and your SH into DP, then I wouldn't bother with the battalion. Get 1-2 boxes of archers depending on what point level you're playing and convert some extras into mages and scouts.
if you've read all the comments, you'll see he doesn't want a fully competetive army, but an army that's fun to play with. I've also started my army buying a Battallion and really love the versatillity the different core choises give. I've even added a unit of LSG to my army to become even more versatile!
you don't need to be super effective if you are playing against friends, you'll just want to have a fun battle! And because any friends will know you entire collection of models, and know what you'll field, its great to have some versatillity to surprise your friends. it's really priceless to field a dragon mage in a 1000 point army, and see your enemy surpised and not knowing what to do
so what i do want to say:
bug off with competetive army's; try new combinations and blame the dice if you get massacred; just make fun!
If you have any friends that play Vampire Counts, you can begin converting the Silver Helms into Dragon Princes - use the sea serpent bits from the spearmen and bat wings from Grave Guard banners/helmets.