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My brother just found out that he wants to start playing Fantasy Battles!
I'm a Lizardmenn player so he'll be playing mostly against me and probably my GS friend. As for him he really wants to play one of the elf armies. ( Im posting this in the Dark Elf, High Elf and Woodelf forums)
The army has to be well balanced, fun to play and of course it has to have some neat units
Personally i don't really have much experience with any elfs, so i need YOUR recomendation. Like are they a good starter army, balanced? How are they against LM and GS? Why should he choose this army etc.. Personally i like the HE
Thanks in advance!
I would certainly steer him clear of the Wood Elves, as they are NOT a beginner friendly army. The Dark Elves and High Elves would be the best two choices available to your brother.
The Dark Elves are one of the most powerful armies in the game at the moment. They are very good at 'cheesing' and doing all sorts of other ugly nasty things to people. That's not to say that the HE can't do such things as well, but it's generally thought that the Dark Elf book is vastly overpowered. That being said however, that big power creep will let your brother get out of the gates and start winning battles straight away.
Those points, and the points to follow are why the High Elves get my vote as being the better starting unit. The High Elves are about as powerful as the LM and WoC armies which have recently come out. Hopefully that means that these three books are going to become the "average", rather than GW continuing it's terrible "power curve" trend. The High Elves have a huge helper in the form of their ASF, which allows them to worry less about the finicky bits of the rules about setting up charges. Of course, it still helps them to know when to charge and hold, but it mitigates mistakes that new players might make. The HighElves are a balanced list, and they work best as a harmonious force. Rather than learning to write lists with super-powered characters, your brother will learn the value of creating an 'all comers' army. On a similar note, the High Elves were written with a strangely 'modular' points system. Every one of their special infantry cost the same, and their main cavalry cost twice as much as the infantry. The rare units are set with a similar 2:1 ratio, so it's very easy to switch out units as the army grows or his needs change.
I hope this helps. I play both HE and WE, and it would certainly be nice to see a new player pick one of them up.
High Elves and Dark Elves are probably the way to go, personally I think that choosing between those 2 armies comes down to personality (assuming that you aren't going to a tournament) as they are polar opposites in terms of fluff and general feel.
Dark Elves are definitely more powerful but they are the "bad guys" into slavery, mindless violence and excess. High Elves are quite the other way, they are a dying race but will not take the easy way out, I see them as noble but I am biased, other's see them as goody good pansies (probably a bit harsh).
So choosing based on theme rather than the strength of the army book would make sense to me.
I discounted wood-elves as they really do require experience to play effectively but if your brother is patient and doesn't mind a few losses as he learns the ropes they would be alright.
I agree with what both of these gentlemen have said: Wood Elves are cool but terribly difficult to learn.
Dark Elves would probably score higher on the Neato-Units Meter, but they are pretty sick if you ask me.
CaptainSarathai made some great points about why the High Elves are a bit more friendly as a starter army. Rest assured, however, that they are challenging enough to play over and over again without getting bored.
In the end, I agree with Allonairre that your brother should decide based on fluff and feel. I have never even considered playing Dark Elves because they are so disgusting. But if your brother is into the gruesome gaming ideas that come from playing a race of hellish sickos, Dark Elves are perfect.
Last edited by Vase; July 28th, 2009 at 04:38. Reason: I am the walrus.
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Funny, I consider Dark Elves easier to play, cheaper infantry, better shooting, core screening unit and top tier monsters. Dark Elves also have nice anti-magic toys, which are definitely better than those on High side.
Anyway, it should come down to models your brother prefers. I love High Elves but their model range is definitely lacking of something. Heroes are nice but you can't build an army out of them.
This above all; to thine own self be true.
I dont know how old your brother is but if he's younger than you he should go with High Elves.
Dark Elves have a lot of... questionable practices that, should he read lots into the fluff, wouldn't be appropriate for a 12 year old or so.
Parental instincts aside:
There are 4 phases in the game of Warhammer, Moving, magic, shooting and combat. Good armies for starter players are ones that encorporate all 4 of these areas. Wood Elves, unfortunately, only really rely on 2, shooting and movement, and so your brother would not really get an overview of the whole game.
Both other armies, on the other hand, can excel in all 4 areas, depending on how he builds his army, so it is much easier to see what aspects of the game he prefers.
I'd go with the High Elves, but I'm a High Elf player myself.
Current painting project: 2300 pts of Dwarfs in 5 weeks.
Dark elves are easier to learn than high elves but thats because if something looks good in the dark elf army it is good (hydra) unlike HE ( silver helms, lotheren sea guard)
Daemonic cheese-how? Well, you would need to start with daemonic milk, i guess...