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I have just recently started to play Warhammer again after a few years absence.
I have a question. In tournaments it seems that a lot of player still favors these super tough single models (Lords on dragons, Bloodthirsters etc.), not wanting to field one of these myself I wonder, how would I tackle letís say a Bloodthirster?
I canít see anything in my army that would stand a chance against something like that, with just a little maneuvering before he makes his charge he could easily negate any rank bonus that I might have against him and since he is flying he could pick his fights.
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http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...ment-army.html (2250 pts Tournament Army)
Only thing I can think of is try to shoot him down with the RBTs and then tie him up against the White Lions, but that seems farfetched.
How do you handle these super strong flying models?
It is definitely an issue for the High Elves, I don't think that there is an easy answer.
Based on the list that you have,
Single Bolts from a Bolt Thrower, supported by Curse of Arrow attraction or Base spell (re-roll 1's to hit and wound) from Lore of Heavens.
Lore of Beasts, Beast Cowers to prevent the monster from moving or Fighting in combat.
Lore of Metal, Spirit of the Forge and Base spell if they have a decent armour save like a Dragon, or Blood Thirster.
Yes I have just given you 4 lores to use from 2 mages, but those are what I would be looking for, due to Khornes Magic resistance I wouldn't target them with Curse of Arrow Attraction but cast Heavens Base spell on a Bolt thrower. Lack of an armour save on other Greater demons makes Lore of Metal basically useless so you need something else here (possibly shadows pit of shades if they don't fly and have poor initiative).
No easy answers, except perhaps your own dragon.
Allonairre is right, against big stuff our best weapon is the single bolt. The Bloodthirster in specific seems to me a huge thing to deal with...magic resistance makes harder to target it with spells so it could really be our bane. The base spell from Heavens lore could work when cast on the RBT but I want to add a little note: as far as I understand you can reroll 1s to hit OR to wound, not both.
I had never thought of that as one or the other. I thought that you could re-roll either or both if required but I guess they would have used "and" if that was what they meant.
Thanks for your comments, It was pretty much what I had expected. Tough task ahead if someone fields a Bloodthirster against you
When I used to play before, I mainly played with friends and we were all pretty much against these super tough models so there wasnt really a problem in the past.
What is the general opiniun here, do you run in to these greater deamons and lords on dragons a lot in tournaments?
I've never took part in a tournament actually but personally I wouldn't run them in 2000p lists
I am taking part in the thrown of skulls this year with my 2000point high elves army.
And i have tiryon and when i put him with the dragon princes i find they they can take out anything in there way. and he is worth every point. I know you said that you dont want special lords but i find useing him is the best way to take out your oponents lords, monsters, ect.
I know it is not the sort of thing you was looking for but it really dose work and works well
most bloodthirsters have a decent armor save and the wardsave. But sometimes they have that flaming sword, which makes our dragon armor worth getting.
Bolt throwers and some of our magic shooting is really the only way to go. In case you haven't noticed, our book wasn't really written to win against power builds. But when you win, by golly does it feel good.