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So im completely new to the fantasy world having played 40k for 8 to 10 years.
For ages i've loved the high elf models but couldn't paint them... (i was a pretty bad painter) but now that i've moved into a student house and 2 of them play fantasy and none of them play 40k.
I decided, well this is better time than any.
My main questions are:
What kind of tactics are the best for high elves. Shooting line, refused flank with cavalry or maybe some block with supoorting fire power?
I love the white lion models, so I'[d like to incorporate them, also by lurking around these forums for a while, I've gathered that swordmasters are the most widely used unit block wise at least, for special. But i also love the phoenix guard. What would people advise? I primarily fight, Clan skyre skaven armies, beastmen and mortal chaos.
Any response would be appreciated, since this is my first proper fantasy army.
(if this matters im looking to go to 2000pts and already have spearmen and archers)
The High Elves can be effective in many differant ways. It is a very versatile army. Maybe not the easiest to learn though.
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If you plan to play 2000pts one of the main choices you have to make and what will dictate the way you play and build your army is your lord choice.
If you take the Archmage you will naturally want to play a bit more defensive than other builds, as with support from another Mage or two you can magically destroy the enemy from a distance add some archers and a pair of RBT's and you can cause some serious damage and play as a sort of elven gunline. You'll then have some units like Dragon Princes, Spearelves and one of the elite infantry units to finish of the rest of the enemy, well thats the basic plan anyway.
The other choice is the Prince which will make your army more combat oriented with a couple of Mages for magic defence. A popular choice is to stick him on a Dragon which will let you play aggressively, supported by Dragon Princes and a bit of shooting this is a very in four face army that hits quick and hard on a concentrated part of the oppositions force and possibly refusing a flank like you said. Without a Dragon this army can play as an infantry force though it is probably not as effective as the Dragon or Archmage based armies.
Luckily White Lions are an effective unit and give you some tactical options being able to move through woods as open ground and fit into any army because of this. Phoenix may not do as well with a Dragon type list but make an excellent unit to house an Archmage for safety.
Hope at least some of this helps.
BEN DIESEL FTW!!!
I've always liked the idea of a heavy mage list but it just seems a bit scary to not consider any kind of fighting prowess.. (i play chaos in 40k so combat is generally what i'm good at)
I had a proxied game last night with my housemate and trounced him loosing 2 wounds. one from a character and a chariot.
I went for a balanced army yesterday, using a mage, spearmen, archers and a lion chariot.
This has given me a very nice insight into how the high elves play.
I think, like many people i hope. I'm going to use a battle standard bearer, because the model is awesome and i can't see how getting those kind of bonuses is a negative? maybe a bit of a point sink? what are your guys opinions?
I love the idea of using a dragon but i feel like it's a bit of overkill and i'd like to avoid people shouting cheese at me? though i doubt how it can be seen as cheese.. any experience in this field?
Also I really love the idea of an archmage in a phoenix guard unit, i take it, the unit confers their 4+ ward save unto the mage?
Thanks for the ideas no1cafc, you've given me alot to think about.
as for the high elves in general: you can play a lot of different ways.
i usually go for a magic/combat list, but a static gun line, or a cavalry based army, maybe even an chariot based army is all an option. biggest drawback of elves is that they are really squishy... but as long as they do not die, they are great
I wouldn't take a standard bearer though, cause you really spend a lot of points on a character you don't want to get in the maelstrom of battle.
and I think you should laugh if you have an cheesy army and still manage to win a Prince on stardragon will cost you around 500-600 points, but will do really great. might be a good way to start playing before you have al your models ready though
an Archmage in a unit of PG works great, especially if you also use the magic banner and yes as long as you have 5+ RnF troops in a unit, the mage cannot be targeted, so the pg die instead of your archmage. ow and there are people who like to put thheir mage into the crew of a RBT.. this will make sure that arrows will only hit the crew on a 5+, and then you have to randomise on the crew so your mage will only be hit on a 5+ again...
and for everything else: just play some games, lose some, win some, and you'll become a great general
'Its better to have a swordmaster and not need her help, then to need her help and not have her'
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