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My friend plays Woodelves and I was really stumped when his Treeman smashed my guys to pulp the 1st time he tried him.
So I wonder, how good would Caradryan be against a Treeman in 1-1 combat?
with his 3 attacks str5, WS6 vs WS5, he's likely to hit 2.. of those 0.66 will wound, and 0.44 will pass thru armor.
However.. that chance of 1 unsaved wound is getting rolled as 1D3 and then because of the flaming halberd doubled!!
that's a chance of a 1 shot kill there..
would you use Caradryan for this purpose?
i would go for dual or dual-dual bolts! its easier and you dont need a backup unit for the hero
Maybe, but I wouldn't count on him lasting very long if you don't kill the Treeman on the first try. And if you then manage to kill him It's some points wasted.
I'd try to magic him to death with the Lore of Fire, it's safer at a distance, but it might be worth a shot.
If you try, let us now how it went.
5000p. High Elves
There are plenty of other options - mages have been mentioned, you can go with Prince Tyrion with S7 flaming attacks and a ward, regen and 0+ armour save, Repeater Bolt Throwers are a good way of knocking wounds off, a Star Dragon will cause a fair bit of damage against the Treeman even in a single round of combat, and ANY of the High Elf Great-weapon wielding units will be bound to cause a large number of hits and wounds, especially if they have a talisman of light nearby..
ok I took the suggestions mentioned here and did some analysis of their hitting power against the Treeman mentioned and here's what I got (I excluded the Lords, coz Treeman is just a rare slot and I wanted to see something his level kill him):
Fiery Blast: 1.16 wounds (fireball 0.58 )
6x White Lions with champ with Amulet of light: 1.45 wounds (0.97 without amulet)
6x Sword Masters with champ with Amulet: 1.92 wounds (1.28 without amulet)
single RBT shortrange shot: 0.55 wounds
volley RBT shortrange: 0.37 wounds
while caradryan has 1.76 all by himself!
Tyrion does 3.55 which is awsome.. but he's a lord against a rare slot
Prince on stardragon with Amulet is 3.77 and an even a bigger points waste to pit against the treeman.
it would be nice to charge him with the SMs from a flank to avoid the strangle-root stand&shoot.. which is likely to kill 4.1 of them!! so unless its a big unit to soak up the casualties.. you may not have 6 guys reaching there
caradryan on his own however is easier to get into his flank and avoid the stand&shoot, and even if he doesn't kill the treeman on 1st turn, he's likely to sustain only 1.04 wound from the treeman's pounding. and be able to hit him again on 2nd turn.
Everyone seems to be forgetting what happens when Caradryan pops.
That can really turn the balance against a treeman. Could easiy up the average to about 5. Nearly enough
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Personally, I'd go with Tyrion. Another thread in the HE forum just opened my eyes on how good Tyrion actually is, and he could quite cause some damage to a WE army. If used outside a unit as a flanker, he could well hold up a Treeman.
Shooting will bounce off him, he's faster than most WE units, and even within woods he can manouver quite well.
5000p. High Elves
This seems like the kind of tactic you talk up but don't rely on, ie it sounds brilliant but may not be totally reliable.
If you were to tell your friend and keep a mage with shadow magic and the base spell near Caradryan then you have almost 30" charge into the treeman. If you can talk the tactic up enough it may allow you to control where he puts his treeman to a certain degree.
I don't think that Tyrion would need talking up, he would slaughter a Treeman in short order (except maybe an ancient with annoyance of netlings) and killing is better than containing.
However this gets me thinking.. Mark of Asuryan. the D6 wounds would they be considered a "magical attack"?
if yes, it would average 3.5 wounds, 2.33 if the Treeman's ward still stands.
is it a magical thing? or just an ability?
Not sure TBH...I would assume a Magical attack (being smited by a God is somewhat magical) but I can't say for certain.
Anyways, TBH all this Treeman talk is possibly a little moot TBH. You CAN easily evade a treeman if you try, and if you do need to kill him, a combined charge with any two heavy-hitters in your army will deal with him. The key against Wood Elves is not to allow them to break apart your battle-line and swarm the individual units. Tyrion is a great fire-fighter especially given he has a move of 20" on the charge and can easily best most Wood Elf characters, netlings notwithstanding...