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Back when the content of the IoB box was released I was struck with how badly the HE force was constructed. Mostly, that there was no way to make a legal list with one or even two boxes.
Well, I tought they'd add a special mission like in AoBR for 40k where every units stats and wargear was listed but to my surprise there wasn't. Nothing to explain why HE got shafted in the armycomposition. I've still found uses for most of the units in the box but I'll have two griffon princes and 10 reavers on a shelf somewhere where as my Skaven oponent will be using all his content.
Is this box ment for people who want to start up WHFB? If so, why not give them two LEGAL armies?
Anyway, that's my rant.
Finally elves getting the short end of the stick
Startersets aren't supposed to be a self contained balanced legal army. Skull pass had 12 warriors, 8 miners. Useless numbers. GW is a bussines, but they're not only moneyhungry. They do make mini's because those are cool.
And in a way, this sort of forces you to expend the army after the starterset. The skaven feel shoud be a verminous multitude. This image would've been destroyed if they got 10 clanrats and 10 storm vermin or something like that. High elves are a force of multiple elite units, and that's the way the set represents those. I also noticed that GW very cleverly made 2 things that weren't widely used. The griffon ( everyone goes straight for the dragon ) and the reavers. And now I hear people everywhere including them, using the griffon for conversions etc. The sales for these models were low any way, so this way they wouldn't infringe on the sales of the normal models. If the starterset included 10 swordmasters, 10 white lions, 5 dragonprinces, and a prince on dragon, who'd bother buying the normal sets?
I quikly skimmed the IoB 'read first' book. I was kinda suprised that there was no stat listing and special rule listen, to make it easier to play. I believe there wasn't even an easy "how to play guide" like BFSP had.
The older editions of Warhammer also lacked rules in their "read first" books.
TBO has it right, I'm afraid. GW put the models in there so that they could expand. Besides- now, if you do want a griffon model for some reason, you'll be paying $100 for one (because remember, GW turns a blind eye to eBay).
My Skaven playing friend is urging me to buy one of the boxes, and I probably will. My army list calls for a pair of mages on foot, 60LSG, and 10ERs. Pretty sure that I can't get 20LSG, 10ER, and two Mages for the price of a box.
For BFSP, I bought several boxes and wound up with 2 useable armies. With IoB, I'll probably just get one box and trade half.
And to be honest - starting out you won't be playing big battles, nor should you be using balanced lists unless youa re playing with the advanced rules (the lists were balanced using those rules) as this hinders the learning of teh game. As a starter set the IoB is probably the best I've seen so far, and doesn't actually do much worse in terms of army composition to the 4th Ed box, which had 20 Elves (10 Archers and 10 Spears) and a cardboard Griffon on the High Elves side...which is also an illegal list as more than 50% of the army was then characters (High Elf Lord was 160 pts, S4, T4, W7, BS7 in those days...and could in theory take 375 pts of magic items if the points allowed!! I regularly fielded Hellfire Sword, Shield of Ptolos, Armour of Protection).
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Me and my friend are thinking about purchasing a box each and then just trade one race for another.
What do I get in the box and can I make a good High Elves army with two boxes?
Is there any other purchases that are obvious?
"The more choices you force the opponent to make, the better the chance for you to capitalize on his mistakes"
-Prince on Griffon with a Lance and a Holstered Sword
-Mage on cloud of magical energy
-10 Lorithean Sea Guard with Shields and Full Command
-10 Sword Masters with Full Command
-5 Ellyrion Reavers with Bows
Sorry I can't be more help tactically but I'm new to High Elves myself.
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Just bought the box today and regardless what you think of the contents the models are beautiful. They are fine and look like I imagine that elves should. Unfortunately the Reavers bows and Quivers are integral to the models. I was hoping to be able to seperate the bows or riders and use the mounts for Silverhelms and the riders for Reavers on Wood Elf mounts. I don't think that this will be possible without destroying the models.
The army is not legal unfortunately but as mentioned earlier there are options and using the Lord as a Prince/Noble on an eagle is definitely an option.
Your next obvious and most economical purchases for a friendly starter army would be:
1. 2-3 more boxes of Spearelves. You don't want to run LSG in units smaller than 20 men. I keep mine at 30 strong, and this gives you 42-68 models total.
2. A Noble box, to pick up a character with a useful mount, and a BSB.
3. A box of Swordmasters, to consolidate into a single regiment of 15-20 for your anvil.
That would give you a pretty solid list to start with at about 2k or 2.5k. Obviously you'll probably end up breaking the Swordmasters into smaller units and using Phoenix Guard as an anvil, and swapping your ERs for heavier cavalry, as well as picking up RBTs, but these 3 purchases should get you started for about $150+IoB.
ok guys i have the set and yes you can make a legal list out of it. This is my 600 point list. 25% is 150
mage, lvl2 150
seaguard, full command, shield 155
sword masters, command 180
ellyrian reavers, bow 105
Total comes to 590. I would like to have added a silver wand to my mage for 10 points, but that would take him over his 150 limit. So here you see we have at least 25% core, 3 units, a general and the hero slot is only 25%. Similar thing can be done for the skaven, just leave out the lord and you can make a 600 point list. Next thing is for me to order a battalion box.
thats a good list, try adding some more combat troops, as wot u have got won't survive that long. as recomended get som spear elves, but i would also reccomend a unit of Silver Hlems and a repeater bolt thrower as this machine can scare any unit stupid enough to be within 48" of it! also i would reccomend a squad of Shadow Warrors because when u get Alnith Anar, you get the power of a bolth thrower which causes panic, behind line! scorcers are then forced 2 be deployed into units, then ur bolth thrower will single them out in turn 1, meaning less magic 2 dispell in the entire game!