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Welcome to the High Elf sections of the board (my particular home)! With the new edition, and the ready availability of Elves in the new boxed set, many players are coming to the boards asking for help starting their glittering hosts. Obviously, this is causing a little crowding, and many times, veterans are repeating themselves as newbies ask the same questions multiple times. This is your thread! If you have a question, give this a little read-through, and see if it's been answered. If not, go ahead and post your question IN HERE, and a veteran will be sure to stop by and give you an answer for sure.
I'll start with the most obvious info:
What to buy- well, for starters, you can't go wrong picking up an Isle of Blood (IoB) and trading your Skaven off for another box worth of Elves. Or, if you want to play both armies, 2 boxes of each force is enough to start them both (you dirty two-faced traitor).
After that, a Battalion might be a place to turn, giving you a Warmachine, some more Spearmen, and a box of cavalry for your flank. Otherwise, it's a good idea to bulk out your Spears or Seaguard so that you can field regiments of 20-30 men. Most armies want to spend the fewest points possible on core choices, as it is in the Special section that Elves really shine. Remember, we're an Elite Army, so we are not limited in our selection of units.
Also, be sure to pick up a Battle Standard Bearer. You can get them in the High Elf Noble box, which is also a great idea, because honestly, we all find the Griffon a little questionable on the battlefield (you can get a whole dragon for 30pts more!)
So, if you have any further questions, go ahead and pop them up here, or if you veterans would like to add something on your own, you're welcomed to it!
Since no one else seems to want to jump in I'll start the ball rolling. At our local club 4 of us are starting new armies and painting them for a 1000 point mini-tourny in December. As i'll have quite a few models to paint i'm looking for ideas for a 1k list, so i can focus on painting the models i'll need. I'll be playing against Skaven, Empire, Dwarves. These are the models that I have/will have by then:
Lord on Griffon (Yeah I know, not going to use him)
Dragon (see above)
Mage (from IOB )
Lord on Horse
BSB on foot
5 Dragon Princes (must be painted anyway)
10 White Lions (must be painted anyway)
5 Ellyrian Reavers
2 Lion Chariots
2 Tiranoc Chariots
So as you can see I have quite a few options, but wondering if anyone had some ideas for what to include in our 1k games cause i don't want to paint things I wont use and not have the time to paint something I need.
This kind of post (list building) should probably go into it's own thread, but since it's here, I'd be happy answer.
The Dragon and Lord on a Griffon are both right out. You can't fit them into your Lord selection at 1k.
Your BSB on foot is almost a must. I would go with a 2+ save, and a Great Weapon. Don't worry about a magic banner, you just need him for the Rerolls.
The rough part is that your core is looking a little skimpy. LSG are awesome at 1k, because they're going to mix useful shooting with a solid block of infantry, but with just 10 of them, you're not going to field a large enough regiment. You need 250pts of Core, so I'd go with the Spears and fill the rest out with Archers (unless your friends are okay with you mixing Spear and LSG models for two regiments of 15 men. Back that up with the Tiranoc Chariots for some cheap killing power, the RBT, and then figure out what you want to do with the extra points.
You need a general, so that Lord on the Horse isn't a bad idea, and the Mage is always cool. Going with Lore of Life and Folariath's Robe is a trick that I like to make use of, so that he can stand on the frontline of most regiments and be safe from harm.
The problem is that you can count on Empire having a lot of shooting, and same with the Dwarves. Cannons will tear up your chariots, and White Lions will be holding tight to their cloaks on their way across the field. Putting in Reavers at such a low points level is risky, since both players will try to kill them ASAP and you're losing a costly regiment when they do. Maybe instead of one of the chariots, run a regiment of White Lions, and stick the Dragon Princes in alongside the Reavers, so that one of them will make it to the lines with some models left.
It's difficult to build small armies of Elves, especially against these enemies. Shooting becomes more important as the games get smaller, and you're against two of the best gunners in the game. Skaven aren't much of a threat, except that their large regiments make them the bane of cavalry charges (stupid Steadfast rule).
I am planning on starting an HE army up, buying the Isle of Blood with my IRL made that's playing Skaven, yet I have no idea how my army list is gonna look like, but I have one question I hope you can help me with... Been reading on other HE forums that Dragon mages is bad, but when they say Dragon mage is it Both Dragon mages, and Archmage on dragon? and are they really not worth the points? hope you can help me out, since I would like and Archmage on a dragon to lead my army!
The problem with Elves on dragons is that no matter what, the rider is only T3, and therefore threatened by a volley of Longbow shots, and some bad rolls, let alone the fact that in combat he's going to be targeted by everyone and their sister when it comes to earning Combat Resolution.
Usually when people talk about Dragon Mages they mean the official "Dragon Mage", and nobody has ever really considered putting an Archmage on a Dragon, for the reasons outlined above. Dragons are awesome in combat, but the Mage wants to stay as far away from that mess as possible. To build an effective Archmage on a Dragon, you'd have to invest in some serious Wardsave abilities and maybe even weapons that make him harder to hit or other items to boost his survivability. That means that you're cutting into your 100pt allowance of magic items that you could be using to make him a better caster.
In short- I'd say no. The mage is going to hurt the dragon's combat ability, and the dragon is too pricey an option to waste on a mage. If you want a flying Archmage, stick him on a Great Eagle. If you just want a caster on a dragon, maybe get a Prince with the Gem of Hoeth, some serious armor and Wardsaves, and a great weapon.
I see well, nothing to do asbout it gues, to risky getting him on that dragon... But you talk about putting him on a eagle, won't that give the same problem?
Eagles aren't so expensive that you can't afford to keep them away from combat (at which they're not even in the same class as the dragon). The eagle can be used for transport without putting you at a disadvantage elsewhere.
I never use a hero on an eagle. In my opinion they are a great unit to hunt warmachines (not the apocalypse canon, he will make a tasty fried chicken of it)
And like Realitycheque has said- you will still have the same T3 problem for being astride an eagle, but the difference is that you aren't paying 300 extra points for the massive Combat stats of a dragon (combat stats that you wont be using much with a wizard on his back). The Eagle is just more economical, but yes- you're going to need to protect that mage.
You are actually T4 on an Eagle... due to the rules about Monstrous Beasts, the model is basically like a cavalry model but using the higher wounds and higher toughness. An Eagle is a great way of making an Elf more resilient and a flying model for relatively cheap cost
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