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If I have 500 to spend on lords and I DONT want an archmage, is this viable at this points level?? I was thinking of:
Armour of caledor
Vambraces of defense (that top talisman on the high elf list)
Should come to about 500
For me this is too tempting because I love dragons and this is a serious Killy unit with breath weapon and thunderstomp I was thinking of piledriving him straight into a unit that doesn't want to fight it. With the amount of wounds I can put out I doubt breaktests or steadfast would be a problem for long.
I don't hear of many people using this so I'm obviously overlooking something that makes this unplayable right??
The combination you talk about is 612 points. And your overlooking the fact, that we're the best at using magic, and high elfs not bringing magic, is like dwarfs not bringing guns - you can do it, but don't expect it to work. Oh that, and every gun, catapult, bow, crossbow, cannon and boltthrower on the planet will aim at the star dragon.
The Silver Knights of Tor Adrac (He): 26/2/4
The Spears of Slaanesh (Woc): 7/2/5
Battlegroup Chalybso (GK): 7/3/3
Warhammer Armies: High Elves, Tomb Kings, Daemons of Chaos
Warhammer 40k Armies: Chaos Daemons
Bloodbowl Teams: Mean Machine (Dwarves)
Actually, at 2500 pts.. you have 625 to spend on Lords.
The question is do you want to play for fun? To win? Or both.
Fun: If you want to have a LOAD of fun tho, nothing is more fun (to me at least) than putting that Prince on Star Dragon into battle. Does it die easier than you think? Yes. But only if you make very bad decisions with it. Get it into combat asap and support it by firing all you can on the units closest to it so it doesn't get flanked like crazy. You have less flexibility by taking the Prince on Dragon because it eats up soo many points and you don't have much Magic punch cause all you can afford is a lvl 2. In that case, take a level 2 with High Magic and Annullian Crystal and focus on casting Dispel Magic. With a good use of Dispel Magic, missile fire, maneuvering and Great Eagles.. I'm sure you can keep it alive. If anything, try it a few games to get the feel for it. It's tougher than going a magic heavy list, but it's very fun.
Win: If you want to play to win, chances are you're going to want to take an Archmage w/BookofH or Teclis (this can be very fun too! Trust me) and a good hero selection (to start with, a Noble BSB preferably with Armor of Caledor and Guardian Phoenix and Great Weapon. He goes great in your main core unit.). At least 2 great eagles. A second mage (could even be a lvl 1 with only Dispel Magic) with annullian crystal. And a great selection of Phoenix Guard w/banner of sorc and whatever other fav special units you like. This initial setup seems to win me.. well.. all of the games I've played with it so far. You dominate the magic phase, and you have a good bsb to rally your troops and dish out some hurt.
TBH I think most people would rather see the Dragon on the board than wimpy lil Teclis.
If you want both? Play a Archmage w/BookofH and a Dragon Mage and make sure you take Cascading Firecloak spell if possible (cast on itself) and get that thing into battle asap. Give it a ward too.. maybe Guardian Phoenix? Sure, it's not as powerful, but you still get your Dragon. You have an Archmage for magic punch.
That's about the best advice I can give. Hope it helps.
Last edited by scorpio7777; November 18th, 2010 at 15:55.
Fantasy: High Elves 7000pts / Warriors of Chaos 6000pts. 40k: Eldar 5000pts / Chaos Marines 2500pts.
I of course do have an army to go with it :-p
24 Dragon Princes, now 30 Silver Helms, 100+ Spears, 100+ archers, 40 Swordmasters, 30-odd White Lions, 8 Bolt throwers, 7 chariots, a couple of giant eagles and otehr stuff....
Kith, that's disgusting. Too bad I've done it too. Not quite as many dragons as yourself, just 4 of them. 4th and 6th ed. Imrik models, plus a pair of the new plastics. Managed to get them all on the field once, and it got pretty crazy. There's less of an army behind it though: The Twins, 30 Silver Helms, 15 Dragon Princes, 48 Spears, 32 archers, 2 Tirannoc Chariots, 20 Shadow Warriors, 4 RBTs, 3 Eagles, 10 Reavers, plenty of supporting characters.
I'm still waiting on my 4 IoB sets...
Anyways, running a Lord on a Dragon isn't a bad idea. He draws a lot of fire though, so you'll need to keep him behind buildings and make sure that you finish the enemy on enemy turns, or the turn you charge. Otherwise, you'll be stuck immobile during his turn, and he'll get a lance charge off or he'll catch you out with a ton of close-range firepower.
A trick that I've taken up with my Elves and Warriors is a bit of a "forlorn hope" early in the game- regiments which can get into combat or pose a considerable threat very early on. This buys the rest of your army time to advance and lay down the hurt without being harassed by too much incoming fire. If they ignore your Forlorns, then you have a damaging regiment right in their back yard. For you, this would be your dragon. However, since magic or cannons can easily take down your dragon, and because it is just one regiment and very pricey, you may find yourself winning the battle but losing the war, essentially getting the rest of your army into combat unharried, but lacking the points to make up for lost ground.