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(Flames of the Phoenix + Fury of Khaine)
5 Shadow Warriors
12 Phoenix Guard
I know that the units are small. I will expand them all in the future as well as adding some cavalry and more upgrades where appropriate. How do you think that this army would fare in a battle at present?
All comments welcome.
Phoenix Guards are great models, but in game terms i dont think they're worth their points. Especially not in such small units, as fear only gets really powerful with big units. Thus, they're not very good in such small games. I think you should get 2 Repeater Bolt Throwers instead, or a unit of Swordsmasters if you prefer infantry.
Also, keep in mind that spearmen also need to be in big units to be very useful, at least 20 preferably more. A unit of 15 wouldnt even have a full rank bonus. I would get some Silver Helms instead. This would also be a nice and relatively safe place for your commander to hide (maybe the wrong word to use, but it's sadly true) Either that or put him on foot, as a lone mounted commander will quickly be reduced to a slimy mass with lots of arrows/cannonballs attached to it against armies with any shooting to speak of. He's too expensive for that!!!
The chariot is a great idea as it can be devastating in small games (which means small units ) or as support to your infantry and/or cavalry. And archers are a must for every HE army.
The mage is very offensive with those spells, you may want to vary them against different armies.
Hope that helped, I'm not that experianced with HE but I think that made pretty much sense.
Thanks for that,
I only really want cavalry for the time being and the units that I have chosen I would really like to keep. I will have a think about a commander in the spearman unit. (this would make the unit 4X4 and therefore give it a full rank bonus), but the reapeater bolt throwers are a definite no because I really like Phoenix Guard. Thanks for that evaluation again.
Could anyone tell me how they would use this army tacticly?
oops! I meant I don't really want cavalry.
I like the look of this list, however there are a few changes that I think would need to be done to make it work better:
- Take the commander off the steed, he'll stick out as an arrow magnet if you keep him on that horse! Also, consider giving him the gem of hoeth.
- Another option for you to think about it to add a magical banner / item to the phoenix guard. The Blessed book is a great unit enhancing item and even a simple war banner will help the phoenix guard become a great unit. The only way I can see you getting the points for these changes though is by either getting rid of the chariot or shadow warriors (I actually like both though!.
Overall, a good list!
The iron crowned is getting closer,
Swings his hammer down on him,
Like a thunderstorm he's crushing,
Down the Noldor's proudest king.
Under my foot, so hopeless it seems.
You've troubled my day, now feel the pain.
- Blind Guardian
I suggest you drop the Phoenix Guard. Get a RBT instead and make the spearmen a unit of 20. Your spears are too vulnerable if not 20 strong.
And if you don't get cavalry, drop the horse of your commander.
If you take a commander on foot, put him with the spears.
Otherwise, swap the commander for another mage, lvl 2 is possible. You'll own the magic phase.
Or lose the commander and take another unit. Like 10 more archers. If your mage casts Curse of Arrow Attraction, this will be a killer.
I recommend the second and the third.