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Here is my list... give me some input here.. I could probably save some points on my mage, but i dunno quite the best way to play with a mage..
Blade of sea gold
4 units of 5 Silver Helms 1 of which the commander joins
all equipped with
1 unit of 5 Ellyrian Reavers
total cost: 992
The object is quite simple, use the reavers as a nuicance by drawing charges and fleeing, then try to get multiple strategic charges off.. Because of my small unit sizes, it is necessary for me to get the flank charges off at the same time i get a frontal charge off, or opposite flank. I use the blade of sea gold on the commander to cut through pesky armour save. Which is tough to deal with because of the high elves puny strength. The mage is a major pest on the field... especially mounted.. I can select any three spells from any list so obviously the customization value is nice, High magic usually does the trick, but being able to go to the lore of heavens is nice for highly armoured opponents..
I was thinking of putting the commander on a great eagle, however if I did that, I would probably chose different magic items. Any suggestions would be helpful..
Hmm... I was thinking, Perhaps I could put my commander on an eagle, and give him a gem of hoeth... Anyone ever try this?
If I can start with a question first, who are you likely to be playing against? If it is someone like dwarves and empire who can lay a lot of very effective shooting at your door, then this army may not work.
If the army is slow moving with little to no shooting, then this would be a very good tactic. Your mage should probably have the lore of heavens, as you have very little shooting.
Your Commander should be put in a unit, probably the one at the front of the charge to give it that extra whack. If you put him on an eagle he becomes a target for shooting.
Hope this helps.
Well, it may go up against a dwarf army, but for now its going against Bretonia, Tomb kings, Orcs, Skaven, and Dark Elf...
On an army thats going to shoot at me, I would have to play much differently. I could even play a different lore of magic... what is the lore with the soaking?
I am not to worried about archers, my armour makes it near impossible to score a wound with a bow, I however am scared of ratling guns and that crazy skaven junk, as well the dwarven artillery..
Ratling Guns are nothing really to worry about. There range is much shorter than yours so sit and pick them off with the ellyrian reavers.
However Jesaills could reduce your army to rubble if you don't manage them correctly, but one round of flames of the pheonix, or fury of khaine should sort them out.
Bretonians: Don't let them flank charge you in lance formation, or you will be decimated.
Orcs: Try and break them one unit at a time. Use your fast cavalry to restrict their march on one sid and lamp them on the other with the cavalry!!
This tactic can be employed on anyone.
For Dwarves try this list.
Commander (as yours)
2 units of 16 spearmen
2 Bolt Throwers
5 Silver Helms (for the commander)
This maybe slightly over I'm not sure.
Hope this is helpful
Well, I tried an army list much like the one you listed, and the archers didn't make up their points, the spearmen didn't do anything for me (especially against the brits and the dwarves which the spears just bounced off of..), and so far the all cav seems to be the way to go... My reavers don't have bows either, do you think I should trade the spears for bows?
The way the list is set up now, I have to be slick about movement and make sure I don't get outflanked... This proved usefull against the Brits, because I outnumbered his units and was able to keep him out of the flank, however his pegasus knights tied up my mage most of the game, I used lore of heavens because the brit armour save is tough to get through.
I still fear the skaven, they are so cheap, he gets to use 3 mages.. I might need to get a couple bolt throwers to combat this... I definately would have to arm my reavers with bows against this army, that seems like a great idea. My mage is near useless unless i get irresistable force... He gets a bunch of dispell dice with 3 mages... so far though, i find that getting to his units and breaking them is quite an easy task, and having extra cav units out there to protect my flanks seems to help quite a bit.. I still fear all the fire power they bring to the table at such low cost..
I have been trying to stay away from army specific armies.. I want one army that can combat all (or at least give them a run for their money).. anyone have any coments on this?
It may be that I used the spearmen archer army incorrectly, I also accidently overan into a bunch of slayers with my 1 cav unit, which tied me up for about 3 or 4 turns.. damn unbreakables...
But I was very easilly able to avoid his artillery which was a plus..
We ended up drawing that game..
Well you can't go wrong with a unit of 5 shadow warriors. I think a balance of the 2 lists is the way to go. Maybe something like this.
Sword of Might, HA, Shield, Barded Steed
Lvl 2, Dispel Scroll
2x 5 Silver Helms
Champion, Standard, HA, Shields
5 Shadow Warriors
Repeater Bolt Thrower
I think adding some shadow warriors would be a great idea, I might do that, definately good for breaking up march moves... However 12 spearmen is quite small, they will just get mopped up, at least in the battles I have been playing...
a dispel scroll on my mage was something I mulled around, the only army I have had problems dispelling against is the skaven because of the 3 cheap mages he fields, i would also probably put the seer ability on him due to the fact that it is invaluable for customizing my army for my opponent since I plan to play the same army vs everyone....
ST 5 is definately nice (and cheap) for my hero. definately helps vs dwarves... but doesn't help as much with the brits... I think the save would come to 4+ armour, then a 5+ ward save vs. str 5+ (this is where the blade of sea gold shines, giving him only a 6+ ward save)
I was thinking of using great eagles to disrupt the skaven mages, and just cause major nuicances to the other armys I am facing.. do you think this would be a good Idea? I have never tried them so I am not to sure how well they would work..